The Great Jewelry Heist

[Guiness]

Don't know about that KYPack - it's quite possible it went down the way it is written, and Rogers is saying - having had experience with hotel safes - they aren't very safe.

Once they are open, you can reprogram the combination - there are generally instructions inside. If the girl got it open, she would've entered a new code that he didn't know to slow down/confuse them looking for her. Until they got the safe open, they couldn't be sure there was a theft, as opposed to a large hungover man smelling of pussy who forgot his combination.

How did she get it open in the first place? There are a variety of ways. As you can imagine, hotel guests forgetting their 'secret' code is hardly uncommon, so there has to be another way to open them, so the safes either have an override code or some sort of a key/dongle that opens them. A lazy hotel operator might not be real careful with the override code, and a small amount of social engineering would be sure to get it. Doesn't even have to be an inside job, she could've stayed at the motel in the past, 'forgot' her code and had them open it, noting the code when they did so. Most motels will have the same override code for all rooms, and rarely (if ever) change it.

[sharpe1027]

Don't know about that KYPack - it's quite possible it went down the way it is written, and Rogers is saying - having had experience with hotel safes - they aren't very safe.

Once they are open, you can reprogram the combination - there are generally instructions inside. If the girl got it open, she would've entered a new code that he didn't know to slow down/confuse them looking for her. Until they got the safe open, they couldn't be sure there was a theft, as opposed to a large hungover man smelling of pussy who forgot his combination.

How did she get it open in the first place? There are a variety of ways. As you can imagine, hotel guests forgetting their 'secret' code is hardly uncommon, so there has to be another way to open them, so the safes either have an override code or some sort of a key/dongle that opens them. A lazy hotel operator might not be real careful with the override code, and a small amount of social engineering would be sure to get it. Doesn't even have to be an inside job, she could've stayed at the motel in the past, 'forgot' her code and had them open it, noting the code when they did so. Most motels will have the same override code for all rooms, and rarely (if ever) change it.

According to at least one report, the hotel security had to pry the safe open.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154200/article/new-york-giants-shaun-rogers-reportedly-victim-of-jewelry-theft

Hotel security reportedly pried the safe open, and Rogers' possessions were not there.

It is possible that his story is true, but I think it is more likely that after a full night of night clubbing (he returned at 7am), he simply did not use the safe.

[KYPack]

Don't know about that KYPack - it's quite possible it went down the way it is written, and Rogers is saying - having had experience with hotel safes - they aren't very safe.

Once they are open, you can reprogram the combination - there are generally instructions inside. If the girl got it open, she would've entered a new code that he didn't know to slow down/confuse them looking for her. Until they got the safe open, they couldn't be sure there was a theft, as opposed to a large hungover man smelling of pussy who forgot his combination.

How did she get it open in the first place? There are a variety of ways. As you can imagine, hotel guests forgetting their 'secret' code is hardly uncommon, so there has to be another way to open them, so the safes either have an override code or some sort of a key/dongle that opens them. A lazy hotel operator might not be real careful with the override code, and a small amount of social engineering would be sure to get it. Doesn't even have to be an inside job, she could've stayed at the motel in the past, 'forgot' her code and had them open it, noting the code when they did so. Most motels will have the same override code for all rooms, and rarely (if ever) change it.

Yeah, I know.

I was a road warrior. 25+ years on the road selling computers and software and other tech stuff.

I know it COULD happen, I just don't believe his ass.

Hotel safes, checking valuables at the front desk? Don't do it. Lock your stuff in the trunk of the rent a car. Hotel burglars get tipped off by the hotel staff and have the keys and code numbers to anything they want. You are asking to get robbed using a hotel safe.

[swede]

Don't know about that KYPack - it's quite possible it went down the way it is written, and Rogers is saying - having had experience with hotel safes - they aren't very safe.

Once they are open, you can reprogram the combination - there are generally instructions inside. If the girl got it open, she would've entered a new code that he didn't know to slow down/confuse them looking for her. Until they got the safe open, they couldn't be sure there was a theft, as opposed to a large hungover man smelling of pussy who forgot his combination.

How did she get it open in the first place? There are a variety of ways. As you can imagine, hotel guests forgetting their 'secret' code is hardly uncommon, so there has to be another way to open them, so the safes either have an override code or some sort of a key/dongle that opens them. A lazy hotel operator might not be real careful with the override code, and a small amount of social engineering would be sure to get it. Doesn't even have to be an inside job, she could've stayed at the motel in the past, 'forgot' her code and had them open it, noting the code when they did so. Most motels will have the same override code for all rooms, and rarely (if ever) change it.

Eef zis eez twue, zen zee safes eez not so safe, ehhh?

[Patler]

Is it maybe not a good idea to have a stranger in your room when you are about to pass out with 1/2 million dollars worth of jewelry laying around? Maybe I'm just a bit old fashion?

[swede]

Is it maybe not a good idea to have a stranger in your room when you are about to pass out with 1/2 million dollars worth of jewelry laying around? Maybe I'm just a bit old fashion?

See, this is why you never get invited to be part of the entourage.

You don't need to buy a new car, just change the oil.

Don't leave a half miliion in jewels in a hotel safe and pass out with a stranger in the room.

Nag nag nag

[Guiness]

Is it maybe not a good idea to have a stranger in your room when you are about to pass out with 1/2 million dollars worth of jewelry laying around? Maybe I'm just a bit old fashion?

You're old, but I think that's still the fashion!

Sharpe1027 - not sure why they would've had to pry it open, AFAIK those things all have bypass mechanisms. Maybe she superglued it closed after emptying it?

Hotel safes, checking valuables at the front desk? Don't do it. Lock your stuff in the trunk of the rent a car. Hotel burglars get tipped off by the hotel staff and have the keys and code numbers to anything they want. You are asking to get robbed using a hotel safe.

Indeed, security by obscurity is a good policy for this sort of case.

He didn't have that option of course, the Bling was seen by all I'm sure! I wonder if this was a crime of opportunity, or if all that ice drew the attention?. He might've made it easier by inviting her back, but if he was marked, they could easily have let themselves into his room. This way, the door was opened from the inside and they knew he was out.

[woodbuck27]

Don't know about that KYPack - it's quite possible it went down the way it is written, and Rogers is saying - having had experience with hotel safes - they aren't very safe.

Once they are open, you can reprogram the combination - there are generally instructions inside. If the girl got it open, she would've entered a new code that he didn't know to slow down/confuse them looking for her. Until they got the safe open, they couldn't be sure there was a theft, as opposed to a large hungover man smelling of pussy who forgot his combination.

How did she get it open in the first place? There are a variety of ways. As you can imagine, hotel guests forgetting their 'secret' code is hardly uncommon, so there has to be another way to open them, so the safes either have an override code or some sort of a key/dongle that opens them. A lazy hotel operator might not be real careful with the override code, and a small amount of social engineering would be sure to get it. Doesn't even have to be an inside job, she could've stayed at the motel in the past, 'forgot' her code and had them open it, noting the code when they did so. Most motels will have the same override code for all rooms, and rarely (if ever) change it.

Leave it to 'Detective Canuck' to figure this tangled mess out.

It just shouldn't have ever gotten so ugly. I place all my personals and valuables right in....



Here !

So I never have ....



to Fear !

[Patler]

See, this is why you never get invited to be part of the entourage.

You don't need to buy a new car, just change the oil.

Don't leave a half miliion in jewels in a hotel safe and pass out with a stranger in the room.

Nag nag nag

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[sharpe1027]

Sharpe1027 - not sure why they would've had to pry it open, AFAIK those things all have bypass mechanisms. Maybe she superglued it closed after emptying it?

Perhaps the bypass mechanism is only available to one or two people and therefore it is not likely to be available to most hotel staff. That would certainly make his story less plausible.

[Guiness]

Perhaps the bypass mechanism is only available to one or two people and therefore it is not likely to be available to most hotel staff. That would certainly make his story less plausible.

In theory, yes. In practice...not so much. One guy who knows the code is on vacation, the other is not on shift, someone needs into their safe. Manager going to call him in and pay him 4h for a callout because some numbskull? Nah, just tell the girl at the front desk that the code is written on the inside of a bubblegum wrapper in your middle drawer. It's a slippery slope from there.

example: the wi-fi password at my son's school is not supposed to be common knowledge, but a couple of years ago they got some iMacs for the gifted room, and they didn't have NICs. IT guy came in and set them up to go on wi-fi, a kid with an idetic memory saw it...now the kids play League of Legends on their spare.

[sharpe1027]

In theory, yes. In practice...not so much. One guy who knows the code is on vacation, the other is not on shift, someone needs into their safe. Manager going to call him in and pay him 4h for a callout because some numbskull? Nah, just tell the girl at the front desk that the code is written on the inside of a bubblegum wrapper in your middle drawer. It's a slippery slope from there.

example: the wi-fi password at my son's school is not supposed to be common knowledge, but a couple of years ago they got some iMacs for the gifted room, and they didn't have NICs. IT guy came in and set them up to go on wi-fi, a kid with an idetic memory saw it...now the kids play League of Legends on their spare.

A little research confirms a few reasons to support your point that hotel safes are not that safe, such as having 000000 as the default password.

http://matadornetwork.com/trips/hotel-safes-yeah-not-actually-safe/

In this case they actually pried it open suggesting that it might not have been that simple.

[MJZiggy]

A little research confirms a few reasons to support your point that hotel safes are not that safe, such as having 000000 as the default password.

http://matadornetwork.com/trips/hotel-safes-yeah-not-actually-safe/

In this case they actually pried it open suggesting that it might not have been that simple.

Or they not that bright...

[Fritz]

I take my $90 Kenneth Cole Watch and my grandfather's faux diamond ring with me every where I travel.

I don't see why you guys are making such a big deal of all this.

[Patler]

When I was young and traveled a lot, since theft was always a concern, I tried to convince my wife that it would be best if I left my wedding ring at home.