Your Official Packers Draft Wish List

[Bretsky]

Yes, you have to take him....but this is a pipe dream. I think there are teams around pick 15 wondering if he falls

[Carolina_Packer]

Here's an interesting link to an article about how the value of the franchise LT is less than it once was. The QB drop-backs may be shorter than they once were and they may release the ball quicker, but it's gotta be hard to have a good down-field passing game without a few more moments to throw. In order to have those moments, you need a pocket, or a QB who is good at avoiding the rush, like Rodgers. That said, when he starts moving to create a passing lane, I am concerned once he breaks the pocket about the hits he's going to take, let alone the sacks. I'd rather just get a true blue LT and be done with it. Newhouse can provide line depth, and the ability to back-up Guard and Tackle.

[woodbuck27]

Here's an interesting link to an article about how the value of the franchise LT is less than it once was. The QB drop-backs may be shorter than they once were and they may release the ball quicker, but it's gotta be hard to have a good down-field passing game without a few more moments to throw. In order to have those moments, you need a pocket, or a QB who is good at avoiding the rush, like Rodgers. That said, when he starts moving to create a passing lane, I am concerned once he breaks the pocket about the hits he's going to take, let alone the sacks. I'd rather just get a true blue LT and be done with it. Newhouse can provide line depth, and the ability to back-up Guard and Tackle.

Yes !

TT needs to draft without flash in Rounds 1 and 2.

As I see it. Clearly the biggest priority is the OL. Marshall Newhouse is a better value for the Packers if moved inside to play guard. The trial at LT and Newhouse seriously should end.

Derek Sherrod is 'this season and not contributing' away, from being declared 'a bust'. Ted Thompson would be well advised to back himself up at LT.

We have a very expensive QB that needs to be protected. That #26 pick should be intelligently invested right there. I'm sick of GM's spouting 'this/that guy was BPA on our board'. An excuse for incompetence and due diligence.

Having posted that it's this:

DJ Fluker isn't likely to fall to pick #26. If he does, it's a gift for TT.

Realistically what's left are interesting choices. OT's Menelik Watson, Florida State, originally from the U.K. and physically gifted but will he stick with football? Then there's a fine athletic man in Terron Armstead; from Arkansas-Pine Bluff. He might be a prize inspite of his inexperience and coming from a lesser conference!?

What do you do? Flip a coin? Heads Watson ... Tails Armstead.

So much that isn't perfect looking carefully at that #26 pick.

Then there's some drop off to OT's Dallas Thomas, Tennessee; Oday Aboushi, Virginia; Reid Fragel, Ohio State and Justin Pugh, Syracuse.

A) TT would be well advised to go BPA/OL with his first round pick at #26. Given that, trading down isn't an option for this draft and an upgrade.

The second option and a telling sign

B) A replacement prospect for CB Tramone Williams or a BPA/CB. That's logical for too many reasons. Besides anything else I see...it's his age and cost Vs contribution. TT has to go CB in this draft someplace.

C) A replacement prospect for TE Jermichael Finley; BPA/TE doesn't appear to be a high priority in this draft. Next season it might be!?

PACKERS !

[The Shadow]

Like it or not, we are now in the position of both finding ways to counter the read option and getting just better generally on defense. Our offense is our strength; our weakness is our defense. It would be nice to add another offensive lineman - but it is imperative that we address the defense.

[cheesner]

A.J. Klein is from Iowa State, not Ohio State. Too bad. That would have made great conversation if TT could draft a LB from Ohio State named A.J. who is big on intangibles but maybe not an exceptional athlete.

Quick quiz - who was a better athlete coming out of college : AJ Hawk or Clay Matthews?


Arthur Brown
Kawaan Short
Sylvester Williams
Travis Frederick
Giovani Bernard

[wist43]

Cornelius Washington, LB, Georgia, ran a 4.53 40 at 6'4", 265. Looked much better as a Jr. Almost looked lazy at times out on the field, wasn't the same guy as his Jr year. Seems to have a ton of ability. Kind of guy you have to sit down and talk to for a while to find out where his head is.

Couple of other guys really growing on me - Sylvester Williams and Jonathan Hankins.

Would be okay coming away with any one of the three of Brandon Williams, Sylvester Williams, or Hankins.

Others I like...

Brian Winters, G, Kent State
Brian Schwenke, C, Cal
Hugh Thornton, OL, Ill (really like this guy)
Corey Lemonier, LB, Auburn
Sio Moore, LB, UConn (move him inside)

[smuggler]

Quick quiz - who was a better athlete coming out of college : AJ Hawk or Clay Matthews?

Push. Matthews quicker. Hawk faster. Matthews longer/taller. Hawk more leap.

The difference was the college dominance.

[3irty1]

Cornelius Washington, LB, Georgia, ran a 4.53 40 at 6'4", 265. Looked much better as a Jr. Almost looked lazy at times out on the field, wasn't the same guy as his Jr year. Seems to have a ton of ability. Kind of guy you have to sit down and talk to for a while to find out where his head is.

Couple of other guys really growing on me - Sylvester Williams and Jonathan Hankins.

Would be okay coming away with any one of the three of Brandon Williams, Sylvester Williams, or Hankins.

Others I like...

Brian Winters, G, Kent State
Brian Schwenke, C, Cal
Hugh Thornton, OL, Ill (really like this guy)
Corey Lemonier, LB, Auburn
Sio Moore, LB, UConn (move him inside)

I agree with your list for the most part but I'm a bit leery of Washington. He's a freak athlete for sure but watching him play is really frustrating. If he ever learns football though he could be Cameron Wake type. Very explosive.

[3irty1]

Quick quiz - who was a better athlete coming out of college : AJ Hawk or Clay Matthews?


Arthur Brown
Kawaan Short
Sylvester Williams
Travis Frederick
Giovani Bernard

Hawk's combine numbers were superfreakish for a guy weighing 248 lbs. They would have been good for a safety and even for a cornerback when you take into account that he ran a 4.47 at his pro day.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.59
20 Yrd Dash: 2.72
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
Vertical Jump: 40
Broad Jump: 09'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.96
3-Cone Drill: 6.82

Clay's numbers were very impressive as well but IMO not quite the freakshow that Hawk had. Hawk was the Calvin Johnson of linebackers.

40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash: 2.68
10 Yrd Dash: 1.49
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
Vertical Jump: 35 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.18
3-Cone Drill: 6.90

[smuggler]

Those numbers are very close. The big disparity is the leaping ability, which is mitigated by Matthews' extra height and arm length as well as the fact that leaping ability isn't that important for an ILB.

[3irty1]

Those numbers are very close. The big disparity is the leaping ability, which is mitigated by Matthews' extra height and arm length as well as the fact that leaping ability isn't that important for an ILB.

Hawks 40 inch vert might be just a cherry on the Sunday since he's an ILB but Clay was obviously being looked at as a passrusher so for him the vert and his size are the most important things. 35.5 is good but certainly not elite, but also remember he was 15 lbs lighter back then.

What Hawk was to ILB is more like what DeMarcus Ware was for 3-4 OLBers. Ware:

40 Yrd Dash: 4.56
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 27
Vertical Jump: 38 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.07
3-Cone Drill: 6.85

[ThunderDan]

Brian Winters, G, Kent State

Good to see my favorite Milw Buck from the 70s didn't have to change positions to play college football.

[George Cumby]

Good to see my favorite Milw Buck from the 70s didn't have to change positions to play college football.

That was a great beard.

[Fritz]

As a Pistons fan back in the day, I was loathe to see them trade Bob Lanier to the Bucks. Back then, you needed a big-time big man in the middle to compete, and they were few and far between. I never did understand trading him.

[Patler]

That was a great beard.

As a guy who has sported facial hair for a good portion of my post competitive athletics life, I can't understand how some of these guys can stand to play with the big bushy beards. The more closely cropped ones I can understand, but not the long, full ones. Yet, a lot of athletes have them at times.