Joemailman's Packer Mock Draft 1.0

[red]

i have no problem drafting a guy like lacey or ball, but my question is, if we got one of those guys, or even picked up a guy like steven jackson, would we actually use them?

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

and your right, i would hate a TE in the first, UNLESS, we have decided this is finley's last year or we try and trade him during the season

and john jenkins might be my least favorite player in this draft. i see no football talent when i watch his game films. i see a fat guy that can't beat a one on one, ever, and has almost no pass rush ability. i saw a whole hell of a lot more watching raji then i do jenkins
i see nothing in jenkins, other then his size, that makes me think he should be drafted in the top half of the draft. at least jessie williams has the upside potential and strength in his favor

[Joemailman]

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

The Packers run the ball more than people think. Last year the Packers were 16th in passing attempts per game and 16th in rushing attempts per game. They threw the ball 56% of the time, which was the league average. This despite the fact that they threw the ball much more effectively than they ran it, as they were 9th in the league in passing yardage and 20th in rushing yardage. So I don't buy the notion that the Packers wouldn't use a better running back if they had one. I think there is reason to believe they might run the ball a bit more if they were more effective at it.

[smuggler]

I love the 2nd and 3rd rounders for Joe's draft. Schwenke is my center of choice from the whole draft.

[packrulz]

Not a big fan of Frederick to be honest I'm normally an extrme Badger homer, but Federick left a year too early and at this point he's kind of soft. Like rounds 3-5A and love the round 6 pick as a guy to take a flyer on to replace Finley if we don't pay him.

Frederick is the top rated center in the draft, I've never heard he's "soft" before. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...avis-frederick

[woodbuck27]

i have no problem drafting a guy like lacey or ball, but my question is, if we got one of those guys, or even picked up a guy like steven jackson, would we actually use them?

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

and your right, i would hate a TE in the first, UNLESS, we have decided this is finley's last year or we try and trade him during the season

and john jenkins might be my least favorite player in this draft. i see no football talent when i watch his game films. i see a fat guy that can't beat a one on one, ever, and has almost no pass rush ability. i saw a whole hell of a lot more watching raji then i do jenkins
i see nothing in jenkins, other then his size, that makes me think he should be drafted in the top half of the draft. at least jessie williams has the upside potential and strength in his favor

red.....What's your opinion on NCAA Division II ... DT Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern? MIAA defensive player of the year.

You've got to agree on this. He's got the real shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGSMeSZXQdM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Williams_(defensive_tackle)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1424923-2013-nfl-draft-missouri-southern-defensive-tackle-brandon-williams

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=97516&draftyear=2013&genpos=DT

My idea and a huge DT like John Jenkins or Brandon Williams and his strength (Bench = 38) is to move BJ Raji into a position to make plays rather than always do the grunt work.

RE: Running game. I sense that you feel that what MM is saying RE: his commitment to having a solid running game is hot air?

From my view TT hasn't given him anything real to work with in terms of the draft.

TT did make a solid acquisition for MM, getting Ryan Grant from the NY GIANTS. Really, after that what has MM had from TT to get really excited over? I see one hopeful RB on our roster in DuJuan 'mighty mouse' Harris.

IMO, TT and MM have to hook up on this deficiency in the Packers offense.

PACKERS !

[pbmax]

The Packers run the ball more than people think. Last year the Packers were 16th in passing attempts per game and 16th in rushing attempts per game. They threw the ball 56% of the time, which was the league average. This despite the fact that they threw the ball much more effectively than they ran it, as they were 9th in the league in passing yardage and 20th in rushing yardage. So I don't buy the notion that the Packers wouldn't use a better running back if they had one. I think there is reason to believe they might run the ball a bit more if they were more effective at it.

And that is why I think he ran the ball too much. But more went into it than proving critics wrong:

1. He clearly thought he put the D in too many tough spots by scoring quickly and forcing teams to throw. Why he thought this is a mystery as TOP wasn't horrible.

2. He was worried about teams finding a counter to the pass game and having limited alternatives.

3. He was protecting Rodgers from his limited LT. It also turned out he was also protecting him from a limited C, LG and RT.

To answer red, a draft pick is precious but worrying about how many plays the guy gets used is the wrong question. McCarthy isn't going to sit the answer to the O puzzle. The better question is could the Packers develop a RB that good or would the line cause a problem?

[woodbuck27]

i have no problem drafting a guy like lacey or ball, but my question is, if we got one of those guys, or even picked up a guy like steven jackson, would we actually use them?

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

and your right, i would hate a TE in the first, UNLESS, we have decided this is finley's last year or we try and trade him during the season

and john jenkins might be my least favorite player in this draft. i see no football talent when i watch his game films. i see a fat guy that can't beat a one on one, ever, and has almost no pass rush ability. i saw a whole hell of a lot more watching raji then i do jenkins
i see nothing in jenkins, other then his size, that makes me think he should be drafted in the top half of the draft. at least jessie williams has the upside potential and strength in his favor

"i see nothing in jenkins, other then his size, that makes me think he should be drafted in the top half of the draft" red

Then it gets worse red:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/06/georgias-john-jenkins-drops-38-pounds-down-to-332/

Georgia’s John Jenkins drops 38 pounds, down to 332

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 6, 2013, 2:08 PM EDT

" Jenkins’ camp has released a video of him running on a treadmill, showing off impressive speed for a man who is, they say, down to 332.

... He weighed in at the Scouting Combine at 343, which was down from the 354 he was listed at in Georgia’s football program. But Jenkins told the Macon Telegraph that Georgia’s football program was being charitable, and he was actually heavier than 354.

“When you’re in the moment, you don’t want the negative feedback,” Jenkins said. “The program stuck behind me, kept saying I was 354, when in all reality I was 370.” "

Comment woodbuck27:

My immediate reaction to that is ... 'So what John'!?

So you get drafted closer to the top of the draft. Are you disclipined/commited enough to that team drafting you. To remain even more commited to conditioning and specifically strength training? Your going to be a grunt in the trenches.

[Joemailman]

A ll this talk of him being 370, yet I saw him get a sack against Alabama in the SEC Title Game. If he could do that at 370, he could be outstanding if he can get serious about keeping the weight between 340-350. The Vikings gave up on Gilbert Brown because of his weight. Pickett has struggled with his weight at times. This is a case where TT has to decide how serious the guy is about football.

[red]

A ll this talk of him being 370, yet I saw him get a sack against Alabama in the SEC Title Game. If he could do that at 370, he could be outstanding if he can get serious about keeping the weight between 340-350. The Vikings gave up on Gilbert Brown because of his weight. Pickett has struggled with his weight at times. This is a case where TT has to decide how serious the guy is about football.

and that would have been his 1 and only sack of the season

he's not a pass rusher, not even close. he's a big body that needs to take up blockers (plural). and like i said in above post, i just don't see him being able to do that. i saw him getting stonewalled a lot by one blocker. when he's double teamed he gets pushed all over the place

[wist43]

Jenkins doesn't get off blocks, he doesn't use his hands well, he doesn't do much of anything effectively in terms of actually making plays.

He has size, but that's it. He should put on another 100 lbs, move to Japan, and give Sumo a try.

[woodbuck27]

Jenkins doesn't get off blocks, he doesn't use his hands well, he doesn't do much of anything effectively in terms of actually making plays.

He has size, but that's it. He should put on another 100 lbs, move to Japan, and give Sumo a try.

Is this All and Anything Real NFL Education Week at Packerrats !?

Education with smiles.

Where do I send my enrollment fee?

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

A ll this talk of him being 370, yet I saw him get a sack against Alabama in the SEC Title Game. If he could do that at 370, he could be outstanding if he can get serious about keeping the weight between 340-350. The Vikings gave up on Gilbert Brown because of his weight. Pickett has struggled with his weight at times. This is a case where TT has to decide how serious the guy is about football.

When ....well more realistically ... if you discover that Ted Thompson took that time to talk to him inform the forum ....please.

[Joemailman]

and that would have been his 1 and only sack of the season

he's not a pass rusher, not even close. he's a big body that needs to take up blockers (plural). and like i said in above post, i just don't see him being able to do that. i saw him getting stonewalled a lot by one blocker. when he's double teamed he gets pushed all over the place

He is definitely a guy with a mix of strong and weak points. Your evaluation of him seems based only on the weak points. Jenkins is a guy with an intriguing combo of size and quickness. He sometimes is ineffective because he often uses bad technique, straightening up too much. I guess the question with him is whether he is coachable. I'm not sure if he'll ever reach his potential. If I was, I'd be advocating him as a 1st round pick, because he has 1st round talent. In 2012, playing against top competition in the SEC, he had 50 tackles and 2 sacks, not bad numbers for a NT. If a GM thinks he is coachable, he's a Top-50 prospect.

[red]

He is definitely a guy with a mix of strong and weak points. Your evaluation of him seems based only on the weak points. Jenkins is a guy with an intriguing combo of size and quickness. He sometimes is ineffective because he often uses bad technique, straightening up too much. I guess the question with him is whether he is coachable. I'm not sure if he'll ever reach his potential. If I was, I'd be advocating him as a 1st round pick, because he has 1st round talent. In 2012, playing against top competition in the SEC, he had 50 tackles and 2 sacks, not bad numbers for a NT. If a GM thinks he is coachable, he's a Top-50 prospect.

i watched him play, i honestly didn't see too many strong points

i would compare him to terrence cody (who i loved) both big fat mountain of men who don't move very well or very far.

the big difference is cody was strong as hell and could take on 2 or 3 guys and push all of them back. i don't see that strength at all with jenkins

cody goes to the rating as a better looking prospect, and he becomes just a small time bit player. i don't see jenkings becoming anything more then that

[gbgary]

i see the running game as an inconvenience to M3. he doesn't want to use it, but he knows he has to use it, so he uses it as little as he can. i would love to have a great running back and a 50/50 offense, but i don't know if fat mike really wants that. if he's going to continue to use the running game the way he has in the past, then he might as well stick with the guys he has

i agree with this. if we had adrian peterson he'd only get 600 yards a year. lol