Derek Sherrod Health Speculation

[Guiness]

Thanks for being cool, guys. In hindsight, I feel kinda stupid, but it's nice to go off like that and not be judged or ripped apart for it.T

I judged you. Do you care?

I judged it wouldn't be safe to let you near my sister. Or my poodle!

[RashanGary]

You watch the Ertz highlights, and I know they're highlights, but take a look at where he is in relation to the defense. If he has bracket coverage, he does a really good job pushing the safety deep and coming back. . . . He's really good at sitting down a little to keep a window open or pressing a DB to come back and make a window bigger. AR loves that shit. He loves to throw it to open receivers vs throwing into tight places and letting his guy make the play.

[Guiness]

4. Never, ever smarten up a chump.

5. If there's a con going on and you don't know who the mark it, you are the mark.

Stay with those basics and you should be all right.

4 and 5 should be 4 and 4a. Because if #5 is true, it's likely you are the chump and everyone else was following #4! You're not really on double secret probation.

[woodbuck27]

Thanks for being cool, guys. In hindsight, I feel kinda stupid, but it's nice to go off like that and not be judged or ripped apart for it.T



Woody,

Zach Ertz is another guy who would be interesting. He's not a great athlete, but last year Waldo showed something where WR's had the least correlation between raw athleticism and NFL success. Ertz isn't really a bad athlete. His 3 cone and shuttles were good. His speed isn't bad. He really lacks explosiveness, and that does seem to be a really big trait when it comes to bloicking. He'd probably always be, at best, a below average blocker. If he has a ton of heart though, he could be a guy you can count on to always get in the guys way at least.

It seems like the Packers offense, with AR at the helm, is very reliant on chemistry between the QB/WR. Finley had like an 8-catch 1 or 2 TD game when Flynn started. Flynn has more of a, "my guy vs your guy" mentality. Finley just ran his route and Flynn just tossed him the ball. AR, seems to do well with players who understand what the defense is trying to do, and make little adjustments to really be open.

Ertz seems to have that quality. . . . He seems like a guy who has a natural feel for the game and is highly praised for his route running and hands. He could be a really good fit for us. Having a guy AR really trusts over the middle might be even more valuable than a guy with freakish athleticism like Finley is. And it's not like Ertz is a bad athlete. His agility and ability to cut are on par with probowl TE's.

I think he might be overlooked a little. . .

Thanks JH. I got alot out of that post.

Some excellent personal insight, that's what makes Packerrats very special. It's alot like 'Home and Family' here. Don't be a stranger JH. We need your input.

JH burn it .... but don't burn out MAN ! I've an idea of what your experiencing because of my compassion and dedication for Chance... and God Bless YOU.

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5. If there's a con going on and you don't know who the mark it, you are the mark.

one of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite movies

[RashanGary]

I judged you. Do you care?

I judged it wouldn't be safe to let you near my sister. Or my poodle!

That's not judgement. That's smart

Staying away from someone who might get you in a spot you don't want to be in is natural. People who know how to follow those instincts last a long time and keep themselves pretty safe.

To me, judgement and hate kind of go together. KY said, "be honest" in not so many words. I got the feeling he was thinking, eh, this guy needs to be careful for himself (and those he could affect.) He could have assumed worse and called me a piece of shit and hated me. Instead, he kind of expressed how dangerous it could be to myself and others. . .

I'm not stupid. In some ways I'm smart. While you might not have loved the responses I got (there are a lot more fulfilling ways to be looked at), they weren't horrible either. There are a lot worse ways to be looked at, I guarantee you that. Complete apathy and disgust would top that list.

[woodbuck27]

4 and 5 should be 4 and 4a. Because if #5 is true, it's likely you are the chump and everyone else was following #4! You're not really on double secret probation.

Wow that's tougher that understanding the difference between a 5-Tech and a 3-Tech DE.

I love the way your selling it tough; with a smartly dressed Canadian beaver with a wad of $$$$ in his pockets.

Obviously he shops at 'the BAY'.

[wist43]

I don't understand you. Every team in the league runs more nickle than anything else and the 2-4 is just the most common nickle package for 3-4 teams. The 49ers ran a 2-4 most of the time against us. The only real difference between a 2-4 and a 4-2 is if the outside passrushers have a hand on the ground or not. When you think about it that way its obvious what Capers would do with a guy like Nick Perry or Tank Carradine. I guess this explains why you have such a hardon for the Seahawks, Giants, and Falcons despite all of them being a clear tier below the Packers, they are all 4-3 teams.

I don't agree that the only difference between a 4-2 and 2-4 is whether your ends have their hand on the ground or not. You have completely different personnel on the field, you're going to use them differently, and the offense is going block it differently.

You're going to have at least 1 more DL on the field, and you're still bringing the LB's and S's with a variety of blitzes. When Capers comes out in his vaunted 2-4, we're smaller up front, we don't squeeze the pocket, we don't get consistent pressure up the middle, and we're vulnerable to the run.

At the end of the 1st half against Seattle - 3rd and 6 or 7, deep in their own territory, they're trying to run the clock out and get to the locker room. Rookie QB who doesn't have his feet under him yet - what are the odds they run or pass??

I'd say it is about a 99% surething that they run - what defensive alignment does Mr. Spraypainted Hair come out in?? A 1-whatever, lol... 1 stinking DL on the field (Worthy).

Seattle snaps the ball, their offensive linemen, TE's, and FB smash our midgets in the mouth, run the ball for an easy 9 yard gain, and chuckle to each other as they calmly walk to the locker room for a refreshing lemonade.

I would prefer to be a 3-4 team, but we don't have good 3-4 personnel. A 3-4 team that only has 1 player on the roster that can 2-gap?? I may bitch about Capers all the time, but TT hasn't done him any favors in terms of providing him 3-4 personnel.

Capers is such a disaster though, that it's tough to evaluate any of the personnel we have on defense.

[woodbuck27]

You watch the Ertz highlights, and I know they're highlights, but take a look at where he is in relation to the defense. If he has bracket coverage, he does a really good job pushing the safety deep and coming back. . . . He's really good at sitting down a little to keep a window open or pressing a DB to come back and make a window bigger. AR loves that shit. He loves to throw it to open receivers vs throwing into tight places and letting his guy make the play.

It might be better for us if TT could somehow find a partner to trade back with. I believe TT would go in that direction in this draft in a New York minute.

Is that second (Our #26) ... worth the cost?

ie 700 points = the Chargers 2nd, 3rd and 5th round picks.

That #45 pick 'in a ballpark view' might land TE Zach Ertz, Stanford in the second round.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I don't agree that the only difference between a 4-2 and 2-4 is whether your ends have their hand on the ground or not. You have completely different personnel on the field, you're going to use them differently, and the offense is going block it differently.

You're going to have at least 1 more DL on the field, and you're still bringing the LB's and S's with a variety of blitzes. When Capers comes out in his vaunted 2-4, we're smaller up front, we don't squeeze the pocket, we don't get consistent pressure up the middle, and we're vulnerable to the run.

At the end of the 1st half against Seattle - 3rd and 6 or 7, deep in their own territory, they're trying to run the clock out and get to the locker room. Rookie QB who doesn't have his feet under him yet - what are the odds they run or pass??

I'd say it is about a 99% surething that they run - what defensive alignment does Mr. Spraypainted Hair come out in?? A 1-whatever, lol... 1 stinking DL on the field (Worthy).

Seattle snaps the ball, their offensive linemen, TE's, and FB smash our midgets in the mouth, run the ball for an easy 9 yard gain, and chuckle to each other as they calmly walk to the locker room for a refreshing lemonade.

I would prefer to be a 3-4 team, but we don't have good 3-4 personnel. A 3-4 team that only has 1 player on the roster that can 2-gap?? I may bitch about Capers all the time, but TT hasn't done him any favors in terms of providing him 3-4 personnel.

Capers is such a disaster though, that it's tough to evaluate any of the personnel we have on defense.

Yup.

[3irty1]

I don't agree that the only difference between a 4-2 and 2-4 is whether your ends have their hand on the ground or not. You have completely different personnel on the field, you're going to use them differently, and the offense is going block it differently.

You're going to have at least 1 more DL on the field, and you're still bringing the LB's and S's with a variety of blitzes. When Capers comes out in his vaunted 2-4, we're smaller up front, we don't squeeze the pocket, we don't get consistent pressure up the middle, and we're vulnerable to the run.

At the end of the 1st half against Seattle - 3rd and 6 or 7, deep in their own territory, they're trying to run the clock out and get to the locker room. Rookie QB who doesn't have his feet under him yet - what are the odds they run or pass??

I'd say it is about a 99% surething that they run - what defensive alignment does Mr. Spraypainted Hair come out in?? A 1-whatever, lol... 1 stinking DL on the field (Worthy).

Seattle snaps the ball, their offensive linemen, TE's, and FB smash our midgets in the mouth, run the ball for an easy 9 yard gain, and chuckle to each other as they calmly walk to the locker room for a refreshing lemonade.

I would prefer to be a 3-4 team, but we don't have good 3-4 personnel. A 3-4 team that only has 1 player on the roster that can 2-gap?? I may bitch about Capers all the time, but TT hasn't done him any favors in terms of providing him 3-4 personnel.

Capers is such a disaster though, that it's tough to evaluate any of the personnel we have on defense.

You're being willfully ignorant. Both fronts look like this:
Edge Rusher - Interior Rusher - Interior Rusher - Edge Rusher

In that regard the personnel are the exact same and the OL will keep the same assignments. So basically you just think no 3-4 team should ever leave the 3-4 but its ok for 4-3 teams to leave the 4-3. I question why you'd prefer a 3-4 then.

In the scenario you recalled and complained about the result was a successful defensive stop. Just saying.

Fill this in for me, I'd like to understand how its possible that we don't have 3-4 personnel and/or don't use them properly yet have no use for a guy like Tank Carradine.
Wist's prototypical 3-4 OLB height and weight:
Wist's prototypical 3-4 DE height and weight:
Wist's prototypical 3-4 NT height and weight:

Wist's prototypical 4-3 DE height and weight:
Wist's prototypical 4-3 DT height and weight:

[wist43]

You're being willfully ignorant. Both fronts look like this:
Edge Rusher - Interior Rusher - Interior Rusher - Edge Rusher

In that regard the personnel are the exact same and the OL will keep the same assignments. So basically you just think no 3-4 team should ever leave the 3-4 but its ok for 4-3 teams to leave the 4-3. I question why you'd prefer a 3-4 then.

The difference is that in your 2-4 Matthews is an "edge rusher"; whereas in my 4-2 he's a LB. I'm probably sending him on a variety of blitzes on just about every snap, but he's still the LB. I would have 1 more big body on the field to get some push back into the pocket.

As for subpackages - that's going to vary from team to team, scheme to scheme, and is dependent on personnel. In the case of the Packers - we have a bunch of decent players that really don't fit a traditional 3-4... it is what it is.

Raji's not a NT, Worthy's a better 3T than a 5T, Perry never wanted to play OLB to begin with, Daniels is strictly a subpackage guy, Neal isn't an every down base DE; et al.

Throw into that mix some very pedestrian ILB's, and zero depth?? you'll have problems trying to establish an identity - it's not all Capers fault.

In the scenario you recalled and complained about the result was a successful defensive stop. Just saying.

How is the opponent achieving a 1st down, keeping the ball, and preventing us from having an opportunity to score - how is that a "defensive stop"?? They achieved their goal, we did not achieve our goal - and yet that's a win for us??

The scenario I gave you in the Seattle game was potential points off the board, i.e. if we stop them, we call TO, force them to punt from their end zone... 15-20 yds of offense and we're in FG range.

We didn't stop shit, and I'm sure the lemonade was indeed refreshing.

[pbmax]

If Matthews is a LB in a 4-2 and you send him on a rush, which of the four lineman is in pass coverage? Or are you sending five with Matthews blitzes?

[3irty1]

The difference is that in your 2-4 Matthews is an "edge rusher"; whereas in my 4-2 he's a LB. I'm probably sending him on a variety of blitzes on just about every snap, but he's still the LB. I would have 1 more big body on the field to get some push back into the pocket.

As for subpackages - that's going to vary from team to team, scheme to scheme, and is dependent on personnel. In the case of the Packers - we have a bunch of decent players that really don't fit a traditional 3-4... it is what it is.

Raji's not a NT, Worthy's a better 3T than a 5T, Perry never wanted to play OLB to begin with, Daniels is strictly a subpackage guy, Neal isn't an every down base DE; et al.

Throw into that mix some very pedestrian ILB's, and zero depth?? you'll have problems trying to establish an identity - it's not all Capers fault.



How is the opponent achieving a 1st down, keeping the ball, and preventing us from having an opportunity to score - how is that a "defensive stop"?? They achieved their goal, we did not achieve our goal - and yet that's a win for us??

The scenario I gave you in the Seattle game was potential points off the board, i.e. if we stop them, we call TO, force them to punt from their end zone... 15-20 yds of offense and we're in FG range.

We didn't stop shit, and I'm sure the lemonade was indeed refreshing.

In a 4-3 Matthews is still a situational passrusher aka Bruce Irvin for your super physical bonerhawks. Raji is a NT, he's just also more. The quality that made him a top 10 pick is his burst off the line which is pretty unheard of for a guy his size and shape. He's a 3-down NT which as far as I knew wasn't previously a thing. So even though his ability to anchor isn't what makes him special, and I will even agree that Pickett is the more impossible of the two to move, Raji is still a stud in this defense when he's fresh. Daniels is a subpackage player in any defense but a good one. The Jury is certainly out on Perry but players in his mold have been outrageously successful as 3-4 OLB. He can't be ruled a miscast yet. You think there's zero depth because you have a severe case of amnesia when it comes to realizing we're perennially injured. Our depth has been starting.

In your scenario the offense didn't achieve its objective which is to score. It was a prevent defense with as much speed on the field as we could muster. Terrible example of a poor Capers play call, although they certainly exist.

[wist43]

If Matthews is a LB in a 4-2 and you send him on a rush, which of the four lineman is in pass coverage? Or are you sending five with Matthews blitzes?

Is there a rule that says you can only send four guys?? A sort of cordiality agreement between Capers and the opposing QB?? Maybe that's why Capers refused to allow anyone to tackle Kaepernick??

I once saw a team send 5 guys... there wasn't a flag on the play - maybe the officials just missed it??