Is this an unusual high-rsik/high-reward draft?

[Freak Out]

If there is a ton of good OL's then we better grab a couple.

[woodbuck27]

do like hopkins, don't like hunter

i thought the discussion was about top end players

hunt (who i think i introduced to this site months ago), bostic, and williams are all second round or later picks. hunt maybe a second, bostic and williams go even later. hunt is so raw that it will take seasonS for him to become a real NFL contributor. to me williams is not the type of safety we need. i want speed at that other safety position. there are no speed safeties this year with any talent

as for moore, like i said before, there is no OLB that i like better then perry. not jarvis jones, not jordan, not moroe or mingo

You like Nick price better. OK TT might consider drafting a hybride DE/OLB... Damontre Moore and that will give Nick Price a shot at playing DE. Imagine the packages with him and Damontre Moore and Clay Matthews.

red I'm referring to the entire draft. I'm referring to possible additions to our off season roster that will certainly / hopefully help improve the final roster.

Check ... on ILB SS Jon Bostic and SS Shawn Williams and in round three.

TT will have a decent shot at one of these fellas at Pick #88.

Shawn Williams, Georgia 5' - 11" 213 lbs... is fast and plays quick. 4.42/40 (2nd in top 10) and 25 Rep's ( 2nd in Top 10) and hits like a truck. I'd love him in our secondary.

Warning !! Please turn you volume down. This fricken music on the S. Williams sucks. On the Jon Bostic video maybe slightly better. These men can ball !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTI_QZm7RHo

ILB (ss) Johnathan Bostic 6 - 1" 245 lbs ... is a player: 4.59/40 (1st in Top ten) and 22 Rep's (3rd) says speed and power at ILBer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Jiwv9sSpY

I'm out of here MFerrr Goin' wild......slam bam niggasss goin' wild. Honey honey...Sweet ... Honey child...Same ole attitude .... ain't diggin' tha new shit... I'm outta hearrr goin' wild. Honey child.... goin' wild. I'm splitin' from this MFing crowd. F' ing up the gang .... Goin' wild !

Boy Ohh Boy!!! That's not going to impress Gershwin.

[woodbuck27]

If there is a ton of good OL's then we better grab a couple.

LB....We need one on the outside and another on the inside. Depth concerns. Attack and defense.

[Bretsky]

do like hopkins, don't like hunter

i thought the discussion was about top end players

hunt (who i think i introduced to this site months ago), bostic, and williams are all second round or later picks. hunt maybe a second, bostic and williams go even later. hunt is so raw that it will take seasonS for him to become a real NFL contributor. to me williams is not the type of safety we need. i want speed at that other safety position. there are no speed safeties this year with any talent

as for moore, like i said before, there is no OLB that i like better then perry. not jarvis jones, not jordan, not moroe or mingo

Eric Reid runs between a 4.4 and 4.5 and he's 6 1" and long with a 40....yes...40 inch vertical. Future Pro Bowl and exactly what we need in GB

[Bretsky]

do like hopkins, don't like hunter

i thought the discussion was about top end players

hunt (who i think i introduced to this site months ago), bostic, and williams are all second round or later picks. hunt maybe a second, bostic and williams go even later. hunt is so raw that it will take seasonS for him to become a real NFL contributor. to me williams is not the type of safety we need. i want speed at that other safety position. there are no speed safeties this year with any talent

as for moore, like i said before, there is no OLB that i like better then perry. not jarvis jones, not jordan, not moroe or mingo

Lots of homerjuice for Perry.....I hope you are right. He's still not that good of a fit for a 3-4.....as everybody stated before the draft last year but most have conveniently forgot that vantage point

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Lots of homerjuice for Perry.....I hope you are right. He's still not that good of a fit for a 3-4.....as everybody stated before the draft last year but most have conveniently forgot that vantage point

he played the exact same hybrid position and in fact was clays replacement at USC

and he did a damn fine job of playing it

[Patler]

I thought the issue with Perry was more that he had said several times that he didn't think he wanted to play OLB in a 3-4. Some also questioned his effort, He might not be what the experts see as a perfect fit for it, but many good ones aren't for one reason or another. Perry has enough athletic ability to do OK at it. Lots and lots of NFL players are not perfect fits for their positions.

[woodbuck27]

I thought the issue with Perry was more that he had said several times that he didn't think he wanted to play OLB in a 3-4. Some also questioned his effort, He might not be what the experts see as a perfect fit for it, but many good ones aren't for one reason or another. Perry has enough athletic ability to do OK at it. Lots and lots of NFL players are not perfect fits for their positions.

Yes... I'm thinking that this draft can allow options that accomodate Nick Perry's wishes to play rush DE.

It really comes down to communication between TT and DC Dom Capers and some common ground on 'Defensive Philosophy'. Get the 'blue print' then find the materials to fit more perfectly towords finalizing the Project.

That focus or goal of 'the Project' is 'simply and only' one ideal.

The Super Bowl and winning the Lombardi Trophy ASAP ... again.

GO PACK GO !

[Cheesehead Craig]

I thought the issue with Perry was more that he had said several times that he didn't think he wanted to play OLB in a 3-4. Some also questioned his effort, He might not be what the experts see as a perfect fit for it, but many good ones aren't for one reason or another. Perry has enough athletic ability to do OK at it. Lots and lots of NFL players are not perfect fits for their positions.

I've never quite understood why NFL players say things like this. Play the position you were hired to do. Now I understand in a case like Kampman where he was asked to totally change his position, but in Perry's case he played a hybrid position in college so why start whining about it when he is asked to play it in the NFL straight out of college? Just looks poorly on the player. I'm not arguing about guys who want to be paid and schemed like a #1 WR or RB, just guys who whine about doing their basic job.

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Yes... I'm thinking that this draft can allow options that accomodate Nick Perry's wishes to play rush DE.


GO PACK GO !

what? in our system?

no

our system doesn't use rush DE's. and he's about 40 pounds to lite to play DE in our system

the only way we can allow him to be a rush DE is to trade him to a 4-3 team

[pbmax]

I've never quite understood why NFL players say things like this. Play the position you were hired to do. Now I understand in a case like Kampman where he was asked to totally change his position, but in Perry's case he played a hybrid position in college so why start whining about it when he is asked to play it in the NFL straight out of college? Just looks poorly on the player. I'm not arguing about guys who want to be paid and schemed like a #1 WR or RB, just guys who whine about doing their basic job.

I don't think he stood up much at USC. Matthews played an Elephant end where he did do some standing up. I don't know if Matthews and Perry actually played a different spot in the USC defense OR if the difference was just the frequency of hand on the ground. But the most common complaint is natural feel and money. DEs make more than OLBs as a rule. Unless they can sack the QB like Matthews, Ware or Suggs.

From memory of USC clips on You Tube, I want to say Matthews was on the right and Perry was on the left side.

[sharpe1027]

Pass rushing DEs have historically made a lot of money. Therefore, when a player is sized between the ideals for OLB and DE, I think the natural tendency was for the player to sell themselves as a DE.

With Clay's new contract setting a new bar for OLBers, I wonder if this will change the thought process of players in the future.

[Fritz]

This is what I'm wondering, Sharpe. Maybe Perry saw more $$$ as a DE, but now it would seem that you can make a decent living as an OLB if you work hard and have success.

The guy needs to work especially on his cover skills so that it's not obvious every time he's in that he has to rush the passer because he's too big a liability in coverage.

[woodbuck27]

what? in our system?

no

our system doesn't use rush DE's. and he's about 40 pounds to lite to play DE in our system

the only way we can allow him to be a rush DE is to trade him to a 4-3 team

Nick Perry is 6' - 3" and 265 lbs. Yes ... light for a DE in our 3-4.

Now we're getting somewhere. Was he a sound option as our Rd. 1 pick last year if he thought he was an NFL ready DE? Then there was the negative buzz RE: his inability to defend the pass. Was he a solid option to be drafted for the Packers?

All the buzz was RE: the fact he would be best suited to be better suited as an NFL fit at OLB in a 3-4 system. That he felt otherwise. His value at the College level was that he was a sack artist as a straight ahead rush DE. His inability to defend a pass was noted before that draft.

He was demonstrating progress when he went down Vs Houston last season. As I recall it, that game cost us in terms of adversity RE: other players as well. No bad!

So if he weighs 265 lbs can anything change to make him better suited as a DE?

DE Datone Jones, UCLA is going to be a first Rd. pick come Thursday evening next week.

DE Datone Jones is 6' - 4 " and weighs only 10 lbs more (275 lbs) than Nick Perry?

What if Nick Perry adds 10 -15 lbs of beef and muscle? Is closely monitored to get larger? Would that hurt in any sense red? Would that step lead to him feeling more comfortable and concentrating on a very positive contribution?

PACKERS !

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nick already gained about 10-20 pounds of beef heading up to the draft trying to show he had the size to be a 4-3 DE. at the combine he weighed in at 271, during that season he weighed between 250-260

as for people saying he said he wanted to be a DE. he's a video from the question and answer session at the combine. he's asked if he would rather be a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. he answers be saying that he would rather be a 4-3 DE with his hand in the dirt, but as long as he's rushing the QB it doesn't matter to him

in this video from his pro day he talks about he would be find playing either position. he also talks about how he only had a little bit of experience at dropping into coverage, but he did have some