Pack hosting RFA NT from the Steelers

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if you take a look at this list

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1444335-br-nfl-1000-2013-top-35-3-4-defensive-ends

you see that 3-4 lineman aren't the biggest superstars in the league

some of those guys, even top 10 guys, most NFL fans haven't even heard of

do you really need to pay those 3-4 lineman huge sums of money, like i think raji is going to be looking for?

a lot of the guys on that list have contracts averaging 2-4 million a year

[Patler]

Are you suggesting that that Steve McLendon arrived in Green Bay and didn't receive a concrete offer from the Green Bay Packers?

To go there is to suggest pure incompetence on the part of the Green Bay Packers.
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We shouldn't hope that more FA's will travel to Green Bay to see what's up with the Packers as that's purely a complete waste of time. If that's the TRUTH then the Green Bay Packers and TT are merely posturing when it comes to Free Agency. That TT isn't a real player.

Might very well be the case, but I am not sure at all that that would be pure incompetence if it did happen that way, or that it shows the Packers are not serious.

Does Ted Thompson do his homework, use a practise of fairness over prudence? I don't need a man to visit me to learn I'm going to give him as little as possible. I'd use a telephone for that.

I'm the type that digs and discovers the resources to be at least decently informed. There's the rub. Likely the truest response to your questions.

Those resources must exist.

The internet provides alot these days. Direct communication skills provides realistically more. You use decent communication skills to nail anything down.

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Well, if you are founded on research, truth and all the other stuff you claim to be, how can you even suggest that TT was willing to offer no more than the vet minimum? After all, McLendon already had a RFA tender from the Steelers for twice that amount, didn't he? Surely TT knew that he would have to offer more than the RFA tender, unless he hoped that in view of his offer for less money, the Steelers would withdraw their tender offer?

[Patler]

Keep going aristotle.

So, this demonstrates thick skin on your part?
(We could continue this until the draft, it would give us something to do! )

[woodbuck27]

I'm not sure I agree that what occured hurts the TT's inability to close on a deal theory. I actually look at this as another of many many examples where the Packers dangled an olive branch out to somebody they have have an interest in, and then let him leave only to go to another team. Had TT offered him 3MIL per year for 3-4 years and closed the deal while he was in Green Bay, that would have shredded the argument.

To me it shows GB knew he was a player they might be interested in....and they let him leave.

I don't have the evidencce to suggest what TT may or may not have offered. What I did get out of all of this is the dude is probably a good player who could have really helped the Green Bay Packers....he left GB w/o a deal and the Steelers closed.... and now our hand is more forced to draft a DL next week because the odds are decent Raji is leaving.

There you nailed it down B.

Since the season ended we certainly should have been aware that TT had to get a DLman signed to take pressure off of his draft. We had to be aware that BJ Raji and Ryan Pickett looked wasted at season's end.How could we possibly have had hope for our team going deep in the playoffs as the DL stood.

What was TT's reaction?

Nothing >>> ZERO !

Isn't TT aware that Ryan Pickett is near the end?

Isn't TT aware that BJ Raji was wasted at the end of our regular schedule in 2012?

Hasn't TT been aware that BJ Raji and Ryan Pickett needed support?

Let's ignore the other stuff..the New or not BJ Raji contract. The status of DL and Jerel Worthy. The ineffectiveness (in size) of Mike Daniels. The inexperience and unproven status of others on the DL.

TT just did TT and ignored and or procratinated in terms of the obvious needs on our DL. He just went on being TT and FA.

Now the draft is four days away and last Friday finally. TT makes a posturing move to sign a solid candidate to relieve his responsibility; now in the draft. To get a big man for our DL. When that's not at all a priority RE: Draft Needs.

TT has higher priorities than a big DT/NT at at least eight positions.

Ted Thompson is clearly screwing up in terms of this need at DT and Free Agency. He clearly had to secure ' now Steelers NT' Mike McLendon with an offer he couldn't refuse given the manner in which Pittsburg had been treating him.

No .... instead TT made it too easy for Pittsburg to win that one. Somehow Pittsburg was able to accomodate that NT under the CAP. Ted Thompson could have easily done that.

TT"s ignoring og our DL needs inFA is clerly inexcusable. Vet DT's were availoable and should we expect that a DTV drafted this week will get it done this season? That's unlikely to happen.

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[Patler]

Raji is overrated and gets pushed around too much. This is Raji's money year so the effort could be great. Facade.

This draft is full of large defensive linemen -- no more undersized guys like Daniels and Worthy should be considered.

Expect Jolly to eventually get his starting job back.

Could be a good year for the DL in Green Bay. Raji and Neal are both playing to maximize their eventual offers from the Vikings in free agency, and Jolly might virtually be playing for his life. All three should be at the tops of their games. Pickett, Wilson and Daniels are work-hard guys anyway.

[Patler]

Ted Thompson is clearly screwing up in terms of this need at DT and Free Agency. He clearly had to secure ' now Steelers NT' Mike McLendon with an offer he couldn't refuse given the manner in which Pittsburg had been treating him.

No ....instead TT made it too easy for Pittsburg to win that one.

No, he needed to make an offer that the Steelers wouldn't match. In view of what they signed him for, what do you think it would have taken for an offer the Steelers wouldn't have matched, and should TT have made such an offer? I really don't know, because I am surprised the Steelers went that high.

[rbaloha1]

So, this demonstrates thick skin on your part?
(We could continue this until the draft, it would give us something to do! )

Thank goodness for golden retrievers.

[rbaloha1]

Could be a good year for the DL in Green Bay. Raji and Neal are both playing to maximize their eventual offers from the Vikings in free agency, and Jolly might virtually be playing for his life. All three should be at the tops of their games. Pickett, Wilson and Daniels are work-hard guys anyway.

Neal is another phony that gets pushed around at the point of attack.

Let the Vikings waste their cap space on these guys.

[Patler]

Question for the group, and I have no answer for it myself:

If the Packers didn't make an offer to McLendon; and
since he was an RFA with no real option but to return to the Steelers if he had no offers; and
With the Steelers in the salary cap situation that they are in; then

Why did the Steelers agree to a contract that seems to offer no salary cap relief over the RFA tender already on the table?
Perhaps to tie him up for two years, but why now and not later in the league year, after he proved himself a bit as the starter?

The sequence of events just seems a bit odd, especially in view of how quickly he agreed to a multi year contract after being in GB. Makes me wonder if the Packers said, "This is what we are thinking....." and he went back to the Steelers who agreed to do the same thing before a formal offer came from the Packers.

[woodbuck27]

Might very well be the case, but I am not sure at all that that would be pure incompetence if it did happen that way, or that it shows the Packers are not serious.



Well, if you are founded on research, truth and all the other stuff you claim to be, how can you even suggest that TT was willing to offer no more than the vet minimum? After all, McLendon already had a RFA tender from the Steelers for twice that amount, didn't he? Surely TT knew that he would have to offer more than the RFA tender, unless he hoped that in view of his offer for less money, the Steelers would withdraw their tender offer?

"Well, if you are founded on research, truth and all the other stuff you claim to be, how can you even suggest that TT was willing to offer no more than the vet minimum? After all, McLendon already had a RFA tender from the Steelers for twice that amount, didn't he? Surely TT knew that he would have to offer more than the RFA tender, unless he hoped that in view of his offer for less money, the Steelers would withdraw their tender offer?" Patler


I read this Patler:

The cap-pinched Steelers gambled, placing the lowest restricted free-agent tender on McLendon rather than protecting him with the more expensive second-round tender. Fr. LINK available above

Would Ted Thompson not take some advantage of that information in terms of securing this NT? NT's such as he is don't grow on tree's.

Would TT not become very aware of what the Steelers were offering Steve McLendon 'before' he arrived in Green Bay? Know well in advance of his arrival what would seal the deal?

It has to be TT's business to be well aware of such information and fully prepared to seal the deal. To ensure the offer is such to entice that man to sign ASAP. Never.... to leave town at all disappointed.

This is the information that's difficult to determine. The specifics?

That's moot:

a) All we see is TT failing again.

b) All we know is that TT failed.

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[Joemailman]

Question for the group, and I have no answer for it myself:

If the Packers didn't make an offer to McLendon; and
since he was an RFA with no real option but to return to the Steelers if he had no offers; and
With the Steelers in the salary cap situation that they are in; then

Why did the Steelers agree to a contract that seems to offer no salary cap relief over the RFA tender already on the table?
Perhaps to tie him up for two years, but why now and not later in the league year, after he proved himself a bit as the starter?

The sequence of events just seems a bit odd, especially in view of how quickly he agreed to a multi year contract after being in GB. Makes me wonder if the Packers said, "This is what we are thinking....." and he went back to the Steelers who agreed to do the same thing before a formal offer came from the Packers.

I think that's right. We'll never know what the Packers offered, but it must have been for more money than his RFA tender. The likelihood is that the contract he signed with the Steelers is very similar to what the Packers offered.

[Patler]

Neal is another phony that gets pushed around at the point of attack.

Let the Vikings waste their cap space on these guys.

Ya, he sure has been a disappointment so far. It would just be nice if the Packers could benefit from a huge "contract year" effort before he leaves. But, then everyone will be clamoring for the Packers to re-sign him. I don't expect him back either way.

Same with Raji. Probably gets priced out of GB regardless of how he plays. I just want someone more consistent than he has been. Maybe he won't garner the interest I think he will, and will return for a much smaller contract than I expect.

[Bretsky]

Question for the group, and I have no answer for it myself:

If the Packers didn't make an offer to McLendon; and
since he was an RFA with no real option but to return to the Steelers if he had no offers; and
With the Steelers in the salary cap situation that they are in; then

Why did the Steelers agree to a contract that seems to offer no salary cap relief over the RFA tender already on the table?
Perhaps to tie him up for two years, but why now and not later in the league year, after he proved himself a bit as the starter?

The sequence of events just seems a bit odd, especially in view of how quickly he agreed to a multi year contract after being in GB. Makes me wonder if the Packers said, "This is what we are thinking....." and he went back to the Steelers who agreed to do the same thing before a formal offer came from the Packers.

I'd be a bit disappointed if TT said this is what we are thinking verbally. If they had him in would it be fair to assume we wanted him ?

If I wanted him my question would have been what will it take to get this done ?
If the number is right can we get this done ? If he says no then clearly we are a pawn

If we're going from the standpoint of this is what we are thinking it's pretty dam easy for other teams to use us.

If we put nothing down on paper, his agent and the player could tell Pittsburg anything, couldn't they ?

[woodbuck27]

No, he needed to make an offer that the Steelers wouldn't match. In view of what they signed him for, what do you think it would have taken for an offer the Steelers wouldn't have matched, and should TT have made such an offer? I really don't know, because I am surprised the Steelers went that high.

Maybe like Pittsburg Steelers fans the light finally came on Patler. Like the fans the Steelers brass saw that man's true value in him not becoming a Green Bay Packer? I can't tell you just how much I garner by reading that fans side of anything. Maybe the Pittsburg Steelers Brass read the fans appeals...the fans concerns....regarding NT Steve McGlendon.

The fans often know.

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[Patler]

Woodbuck27;

I don't intend this to be sarcastic, argumentative or anything but honest, because you and I are both on here a lot. Please don't take this negatively:

One of the reasons I "ignore" you quite often is that I simply don't understand you. As a result our discussions become circular. I fear that we have reached that cross-road again!

I understood you to suggest in an earlier post that you believed TT likely offered no more than the vet minimum to McLendon. That would be something like $715,000. But, McLendon already had a tender from the Steelers for $1.323 million on a one year contract. Are you suggesting that TT wasn't prepared to offer something better than 1 year at $1.323 million?