2013 Schedule

[Tony Oday]

13-3 and SF has a 9-7 record suffering the fate all the SB losers face. Kapernuts now gave the entire NFL his game tape so he is not coming from nowhere this year.

[pbmax]

I dunno about being an underdog to Cincy.

And the Cowboys are rebuilding their secondary again. The Packers are looking for one more safety to go along with three or four starting caliber CBs. Not the same thing.

[Pugger]

Wouldn't it be prudent to wait until we get a better idea of our roster this coming season before we start making predictions?

[3irty1]

The Cowboys biggest weakness is their OL - our sucks too.

Rodgers is a cut above Romo, but that is about the only position we outpace them. Dez Bryant is far more talented than any receiver we have, but collectively we're probably better; Witten is as good as they come - and unlike the Packers, the Cowboys actually have a RB in DeMarco Murray.

Defensively they're better than we are. Call Matthews and Ware a wash... they're weak in the secondary - but so are we. Brandon Carr, even though he had a bit of a down year, is better than anyone we have in our secondary; Jay Ratliff and Anthony Spencer are at least the equal of Raji and Perry. They have a lot of average starters; we have a lot of average starters.

Don't know much about their depth, but ours is shit - so yeah, the Cowboys and Packers are about equal. I'd give us a slight edge perhaps, but not by much.

Skip Baylessesque.

[Bretsky]

Skip Baylessesque.

Gotta call BS on this one Wist....the Cowboys OL is terrible and a step down from even ours, our WR's are just as good from #1-#4. Bryant is hands down the best but after that Dallas is Junk. Our Secondardy is way better than Dallas (they are terrible back there)as well, and Rodgers is better than Romo. Typically I'm not a homer, but we are a step ahead of Dallas talent wise

[wist43]

Gotta call BS on this one Wist....the Cowboys OL is terrible and a step down from even ours, our WR's are just as good from #1-#4. Bryant is hands down the best but after that Dallas is Junk. Our Secondardy is way better than Dallas (they are terrible back there)as well, and Rodgers is better than Romo. Typically I'm not a homer, but we are a step ahead of Dallas talent wise

We're ahead of them, but not by much. We're both in the 2nd tier of playoff caliber teams in the NFC.

I agree that their OL is worse than ours - and that's saying something, b/c our OL sucks.

As for the back end on defense... I don't think we're better than they are. We have more young guys with upside, but being perpetually young comes with its own set of problems - our guys are running in the wrong direction half the time; and while they cut down on the number of busted coverages last year, they were pretty average overall and weren't very good when it mattered. Carr is a much better corner than Williams. We have a lot more potential than they do I think, but that's all it is is potential.

Throw in Mr. Spraypaintedhair as our DC, and you have the potential for a huge mess on any given week. Unfortunately, the reality is we're not much better than the Cowboys.

[wist43]

I dunno about being an underdog to Cincy.

And the Cowboys are rebuilding their secondary again. The Packers are looking for one more safety to go along with three or four starting caliber CBs. Not the same thing.

Cincy was a playoff team last year... for them, they need Dalton to take the next step. They have a legit defense, we don't.

As for our secondary, we may not be desperate for DB's, but that doesn't mean we have a proven, productive unit. We have a bunch of young guys that have shown some potential, but they're as likely to bust a coverage as they are to make a play.

Capers is our DC, Capers spraypaints his hair every morning, the spraypaint is obviously seeping into his brain... makes for some interesting misadventures back there in the secondary.

[Joemailman]

In Wist World, the grass is always greener on the other side.

[Fritz]

In Wist World, the grass is always greener on the other side.

Until the neighbor's dog pissed in it. Wist's World is a brown, barren place where the farther away you look, the shinier it appears to be

[wist43]

Cincy was 10-6 and a playoff team. We were 11-5... it's not as if the gulf between us is unswimmable.

I would imagine all of you would argue our Packers are lightyears better than the Vikings, yes??

Week 17, @ Minnesota - we needed the win. It's not as if we were playing for nothing - yet here is what Christian Ponder and the Minnesota Vikings put on us:

Our defense gave up:
217 yds rushing
227 yds passing
1 sack
no forced turnovers
3 passing TD's and 94.6 QB rating for Ponder


Our offense:
- gave up 5 sacks
- had 72 yds rushing
- lost a fumble
- and even though Rodgers played well, we lost the game

Now why would any of you think the Green Bay Packers are head and shoulders better than any of the other 2nd tier playoff teams?? Because we have the best QB?? We had the best QB last year, and he played very well in games that we lost - what does that say about the rest of the roster??

If we're a QB driven team, and the QB performs as expected, yet we still lose - doesn't that speak to the fact that our team is woefully deficient in many other areas??

[pbmax]

What happened in the Wild Card game?

[denverYooper]

What happened in the Wild Card game?

The law of selective samples.

[wist43]

What happened in the Wild Card game?

Joe Webb as their starting QB?? How would that game have gone if Ponder were healthy, and Rodgers out?? Graham Harrell as our starting QB?? We might not have even made it to San Francisco to receive the ass whoopin' that awaited us if Ponder had played.

In that 3 game stretch, we gave up 707 yards rushing. That's an average of over 235 yds/game. Minnesota laid 37 on us when we needed a win; we got past them the next week b/c their starting QB couldn't go; then we got stomped for 323 yds and 45 points by the Niners.

We would you even try to defend any of that??

[HarveyWallbangers]

IMHO, Ponder sucks. He's still their starting QB. I was more scared of Webb than Ponder. There's a good chance that we saw the career year out of Adrian Peterson. They stayed extremely healthy last year. The Packers had a ton of injuries. Losing Jennings, Nelson, Bulaga, Bishop, Perry, Matthews, Smith, Shields, House, Wilson, etc. were big blows last year. There's a good chance the Vikings fall back this year going from a weak schedule to a meat grinder. I think they are an 8-8 team that overachieved last year. I think they'll be a better team this year, but will still lose more games with that schedule. I like our chances against the Vikings, provided the injury luck for both teams normalizes.

[wist43]

Ponder sucks. He's still their starting QB.

I don't think Ponder sucks. He isn't great; but he's okay, he's young, and he's improving.

I don't think his ceiling is very high - but then again, going against our defense, when he can post a very efficient passer rating of 120, a QB rating of 94, 227 yds passing, no turnovers, 3 passing TD's, and 37 pts... it's good enough.