A NEW TREND FOR RB's from the U in the NFL...COMING SOON

[Bretsky]

Better chance than Ball especially since Ball does not play defense.

There are several positions on defense with more capable starters than we have at RB

[rbaloha1]

overrated

Not according to mm -- only your feeble mind.

[rbaloha1]

Go watch "I Love Lucy" for your Ball Fixation

Unfortunately your boy is not coming to GB -- get over it

[Bretsky]

Not according to mm -- only your feeble mind.

You are a troll.

The way you often come accross in here......somebody giving you a feeble mind would be a compliment.....you are a broken record. Wist makes a ton of good points consistently in here content wise w/o throwing cheap shots at different posters. You could take lessons from him. It was my mistake to think it was worth the time. You can go on and I will do my best to never respond to you.

[rbaloha1]

You are a troll.

The way you often come accross in here......somebody giving you a feeble mind would be a compliment.....you are a broken record. Wist makes a ton of good points consistently in here content wise w/o throwing cheap shots at different posters. You could take lessons from him. It was my mistake to think it was worth the time. You can go on and I will do my best to never respond to you.

go troll on this moron and quit acting like some sophisticated person -- you sir are a phony and a legend in your own feeble mind.

[Pugger]

Do not waste a pick on a rb given the weakness of the lines.

But could a back that is better than anything we have presently on the roster make our weak run blocking line look better than they are? The better backs can make something out of nothing and we haven't seen a RB like that around here since Ahman Green.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm on record as saying that I like Ball, but I do think we have more pressing needs and the draft is supposed to be good at OL and DL. Unless somebody unexpectedly falls in the Packers lap, I think that's the direction TT goes. Where is Ball projected to go now? Could we trade back and still get him at the top of the 3rd round. I wouldn't mind finding a way to get Marcus Lattimore at the right spot either. Problem is: I don't know where that right spot is because I don't know how far along his recovery is and if the chances are good that he'll be as good as he was.

[woodbuck27]

"IMO the Packers have let the cup go too bare in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Signing the Steeler DL, or a credible cost effective FA would have given GB flexibility to draft a guy like Monte." B.

That's tough and real analysis Bretsky. I feel badly for you. I know you believe in Montee Ball as our next RB.

I know that now you realize clearly that's not going to happen.

It really upsets me that TT let us down in Free Agency and specificaly in regard to the DL and DT. I'm simply shocked to have suffered through that obvious need (DT/NT) being ignored by Ted Thompson.

There were options available in FA for TT to cover that base; take pressure off of this (his) draft. I've been calling for that move by TT since the season ended, because it's too obvious. It was a 'no brainer' for TT to focus on that particular move.

Look at the status of our DL and size/talent; then add so many of our DLman in a final contract year.

TT has placed enormous pressure on himself and any discussion and DL. Sadly... it appears to me that it gets worse. I'll not go there in this post. I don't believe in the burden of overload.

I'm sorry Packer fans but because he failed the Packers in Free Agency and the DL ie DT/NT. I have to flat out say I'm terribly disappointed in Ted Thompson. I'm confused by his neglect and our DL.

Now excuse me but I have to go outside; screem and beat up a tree.

"But if I'm right we don't even sniff a RB til round 4 at the soonest." Bretsky

OK .... That poor tree.

Translation>>> Screw the running game again...and MM >>> blame TT if it stands as it sure looks like it will after the draft. I have to take a DT in Rd. 1 or 2 of a Mock and I see RB's like Eddie Lacy and Geovani Bernard (Montee Ball) droping to be a real fit at Pick #55.

Forget all that noise.

" From the Packers standpoint, the cup is bare enough that it would be hard for them to draft Ball in round one or two (with the need at DL/OL/S) even if Ball is the BPA. Even in round three, deep down I wonder if we have too many needs to draft a guy like Monte even though IMO he's a huge value there."

The worst part. Big bodied DT/NT... Hell No!

That was a primary focus for our teams GM and fixing that in FA. If you imagine that was done with returning Johnny Jolly? Good luck with that.

If you tear open an arm or leg? Do you treat that with a band-aid when you need to start with a bandage before the fricken' stitches or just bleed to death?

Heck! OK I'm frustrated...maybe you detect that?

So we discuss the draft and who and where to get that DT/NT. Thanks Ted Thompson. What was supposed to be a luxury pick now is a dire need. Yes...forget RB until maybe? Rd. 5. That will get us about as much as pissin' into the north wind.

The priority need was a 3-4 DE, a SS and then a Center, WR and then..... a RB. before that strong/big DT. TT has to get real now and simply try to keep up. Any whisper of Super Bowl!? Hahhhh ! The strongest teams got stronger this off season and we went to still/stagnant water.

Running game like pass rushing 3-4 DE....an illusion !

go pack go.

[rbaloha1]

But could a back that is better than anything we have presently on the roster make our weak run blocking line look better than they are? The better backs can make something out of nothing and we haven't seen a RB like that around here since Ahman Green.

imo lacy is the only back in this year draft that fits this description.

the draft features some good small backs but harris is a keeper.

[3irty1]

Of course we could spend any pick on a RB and a rookie could be an impact player right from the get go. Ball is going to need the right system to be any good IMO but I do think the Packers are a good fit. He does all the small things not just well but elite which is very important for a multiples offense like ours.

The Packers are set for interior passrushers on the line between Neal, Daniels, and Raji. What they need is a rotational guy in the Pickett/Wilson mold who can be counted on to eat up 2 gaps worth of blocks. It even takes 1st round DT's a couple of years to be any good at that so I don't think any rookie DL will mask any deficiencies for 2013. A mid round guy with an NFL body to compete with Jolly in camp for the injured Worthy's roster spot is what is needed IMO.

[3irty1]

But could a back that is better than anything we have presently on the roster make our weak run blocking line look better than they are? The better backs can make something out of nothing and we haven't seen a RB like that around here since Ahman Green.

That's just greedy. I'd be happy with another Ryan Grant... just don't leave any yards on the field and don't fumble the ball and we've got a running game that you can build an offense around. Sounds like I'm not asking for much but Alex Green has terrible vision. Kuhn is too slow to get through a hole before it closes, and Stark is a glass doll.

[rbaloha1]

I'm on record as saying that I like Ball, but I do think we have more pressing needs and the draft is supposed to be good at OL and DL. Unless somebody unexpectedly falls in the Packers lap, I think that's the direction TT goes. Where is Ball projected to go now? Could we trade back and still get him at the top of the 3rd round. I wouldn't mind finding a way to get Marcus Lattimore at the right spot either. Problem is: I don't know where that right spot is because I don't know how far along his recovery is and if the chances are good that he'll be as good as he was.

The track record of wisconsin rbs in the nfl is not good. Thank goodness TT does not fall for Badger hysteria to draft Badger players.

A late round gem can be found.

[rbaloha1]

Of course we could spend any pick on a RB and a rookie could be an impact player right from the get go. Ball is going to need the right system to be any good IMO but I do think the Packers are a good fit. He does all the small things not just well but elite which is very important for a multiples offense like ours.

The Packers are set for interior passrushers on the line between Neal, Daniels, and Raji. What they need is a rotational guy in the Pickett/Wilson mold who can be counted on to eat up 2 gaps worth of blocks. It even takes 1st round DT's a couple of years to be any good at that so I don't think any rookie DL will mask any deficiencies for 2013. A mid round guy with an NFL body to compete with Jolly in camp for the injured Worthy's roster spot is what is needed IMO.

There are numerous issues with current d-line:

1. Age -- Pickett imo is the best d-linemen but may have only 1-2 seasons left.

2. Uncertainity -- Love Jolly but it is unsure of how much JJ can contribute. Raji could be gone after this season. Worthy is undersized and returning from injury.

3. Destroyed at the point of attack -- Thought Raji had a chance to be Sapp like but he gets dominated too easily. Pickett and Wilson are good at holding up at the point of attack but too often can not get off blocks. Neal and Daniels are a joke against power running teams.

4. Lack of experience -- Need linemen that have experience against spread option attacks and pistol formations. Understand the angles o-linemen take in these attacks. Guru Capers does a poor job preparing the team against this stuff as per Woodson.

Last year the defensive problem was allowing more yards than anyone in the history of the NFL. Somewhat fixed

This year it is 579 (For some posters this is the equivalent of 666) Too bad -- TT shall address this with front seven players that have shown the ability to make plays against these attacks. AJ Klein, lb is touted as playing well against spread offenses.

[rbaloha1]

That's just greedy. I'd be happy with another Ryan Grant... just don't leave any yards on the field and don't fumble the ball and we've got a running game that you can build an offense around. Sounds like I'm not asking for much but Alex Green has terrible vision. Kuhn is too slow to get through a hole before it closes, and Stark is a glass doll.

Another RG is available somewhere in the late rounds.

AG can not run out of a 2 back set. Benson could be the answer

Kuhn is okay. Zach line from SMU is a big upgrade.

Starks is unreliable and should be cut

[Fosco33]

Hard to take the Niner game and use that solely as the basis for draft philosophy.

In that game, Packers had Chuck (gone) and Walden (gone) who were consistently beat. We were also without a fair amount of personnel - Worthy, Perry, Bishop, etc. Next year's Defense will look very different either way. Yes - we need to get more DL. I still think not having a star safety is the biggest hold - Collins was sorely missed.

I think Ted will trade back in the draft and load up on picks. I'd love to see Ball in G&G if it was 3rd round or later.

Ball will not be a star - but he'll be a capable 3rd down back somewhere.