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    Is Dom.....aka.....the Dominator in the SB Year a FRAUD or has TT and/or injuries let him down

    A legit question here; on our run to the Super Bowl many, including me, though Dom was excellent in getting the most out of his talent. We had all these cool and unique packages where everybody would stand up at the snap and run stunts and blitzes that were not detectable accourding to the NFL Network...........

    who might have hit an all time low by having Charlie Peprah and Jarrett Bush, Red's favorite player, in studio at the same time to pimp the Packers unique defensive sets.

    Obviously we've been less than stellar since then, and obviously we've had some injuries....although we overcame several on our Super Bowl Run


    So my question.....and I'd like max views here............Is the Dominator a Fraud...and why ?

    Or are we just Devoid of enough talent to be successful on that side of the Ball ??
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER
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    When he first came to the pack I looked up his history with the steelers. At the time I seem toremember someone creating a thread about capers previous history where he peaked in year two or three and it was down hill from there. Looking like a similar problem again. I am beginning to wonder if we should kick some new tires.
    All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

    George Orwell

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    • #3
      Always maintained the super bowl year was a fluke. It was TT.

      Teams can not continually win with free agents.

      Capers is a fraud -- living off Dick Lebeau's defense which has enriched him tremendously.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
        When he first came to the pack I looked up his history with the steelers. At the time I seem toremember someone creating a thread about capers previous history where he peaked in year two or three and it was down hill from there. Looking like a similar problem again. I am beginning to wonder if we should kick some new tires.
        The newspapers also chronicled this phenomnea.

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        • #5
          Bretsky, could it be neither? Since no team wins the SB every year, you'd be assuming then that any team that has won it once in the past and kept the same D-coordinator for a couple years subsequent (but has not since won a SB) has a d-coordinator who either was a fraud or has been let down by his GM.

          Why can't it be simply that no team wins every SB every year? You field a competetive team, get in the playoffs, and hope the mysterious forces of mojo cook up into a SB stew.
          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

          KYPack

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          • #6
            Fritz..your point assumes the defense of teams are pretty legit the two years after they win the Super Bowl as opposed to being junk like ours has been the past two years

            .....our defense sucks......I think this is a valid question......it sucked a couple yrs before the SB and it sucked two years ago....and it sucked last year. I think it's reasonable to wonder why as opposed to ignoring that. I don't know the answer to my question. I'm not even sure I have a view. I've been a defender of Dom...I pimped the Dominator on our run.....I still don't buy into it being a complete fluke although I get the logic of those who view it that way.......but I'm second guessing myself about my view on Dom at this point.

            When a part of your team sucks, eventually one should ask why
            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
              Fritz..your point assumes the defense of teams are pretty legit the two years after they win the Super Bowl as opposed to being junk like ours has been the past two years

              .....our defense sucks......I think this is a valid question......it sucked a couple yrs before the SB and it sucked two years ago....and it sucked last year. I think it's reasonable to wonder why as opposed to ignoring that. I don't know the answer to my question. I'm not even sure I have a view. I've been a defender of Dom...I pimped the Dominator on our run.....I still don't buy into it being a complete fluke although I get the logic of those who view it that way.......but I'm second guessing myself about my view on Dom at this point.

              When a part of your team sucks, eventually one should ask why
              I don't think they sucked all the time; they sucked at key moments. And then fell apart in SF. But you're right; they fell off a little further than most teams' defenses. I think.

              I am actually not a big Dom fan, not a big 3-4 fan. I hope they win the SB this year and Dom retires.
              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

              KYPack

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              • #8
                It was a 16th ranked defense last year and they don't suck almost by definition. They do have trouble now stopping the run and with penalties on 3rd down.

                But I am adamant that the problem with the run D is as much adherence to scheme as it is the scheme or player talent. Could they have better DL players and ILBs plus one safety? Yes.

                But when they held Peterson in check during the playoff game and the previous year in the first half against the Giants, they proved they could do it.

                What troubles me is why its so sporadic.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #9
                  Numbers are meaningless.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                    It was a 16th ranked defense last year and they don't suck almost by definition.
                    Where did you get the 16th ranked defense stat from? Just wondering. They were 11th in points allowed, 11th in yards allowed, 10th in interceptions, 4th in sacks, so I'm must wondering where the 16th ranked numbers came from? They made strides last year--despite missing key pieces. If this defense stays healthy and doesn't become one of top defenses, I think it's fair to go in a different direction at DC. There's talent on the defense. Young talent--which makes it difficult at times. Talent nonetheless. There are some holes, but almost ever defense has holes that it has to hide. Dom should be able to make hay with the talent he has this year.
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                      Numbers are meaningless.
                      ...he said when a poster used numbers to support a point.

                      Previously forgetting his only reply to thoughtful arguments in another thread was to post one number, over and over.
                      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                      KYPack

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                        Numbers are meaningless.
                        Wow dude. You realize that coaches who watch more tape than. All of us together still use numbers. They wouldn't if they had no value
                        All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

                        George Orwell

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                        • #13
                          Injuries and personnel. I like Dom.
                          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                            Where did you get the 16th ranked defense stat from? Just wondering. They were 11th in points allowed, 11th in yards allowed, 10th in interceptions, 4th in sacks, so I'm must wondering where the 16th ranked numbers came from? They made strides last year--despite missing key pieces. If this defense stays healthy and doesn't become one of top defenses, I think it's fair to go in a different direction at DC. There's talent on the defense. Young talent--which makes it difficult at times. Talent nonetheless. There are some holes, but almost ever defense has holes that it has to hide. Dom should be able to make hay with the talent he has this year.
                            I pulled it from memory which means it was highly questionable. If they were 11th in those categories though, it just makes the underlying point stronger. The D side of the ball isn't a disaster. Has problem with the run at times and the 49ers. No reason to rebuild from scratch.

                            Eh. Football Outsiders had them at 8th, so I have no idea where 16 came from. Closest is 13/17 rank versus rush.
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                              ...he said when a poster used numbers to support a point.

                              Previously forgetting his only reply to thoughtful arguments in another thread was to post one number, over and over.
                              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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