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  • #46
    Well if it makes you feel better Lamar Woodley, Shawne Merriman, Terrell Suggs, Paul Kruger, Connor Barwin, Ryan Kerrigan, Tamba Hali are all examples of guys in that weight range who play the position.
    70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by PaCkFan_n_MD View Post
      I don’t really see a player who reminds me of Cullen Jenkins when watching his film. I'm not sure what to think of him, but I would compare this pick to the Nick Perry pick last year. I don't like when I read that "he could easily add 10 more pounds." Yeah so what, so could I. The question is can he 10 to 20 pounds and still do the same things he could at 280? This is very similar to Nick Perry. We drafted him at 271 and are asking him to play a position he has never played before at a weight not typically seen out of 34 olbs. How is he supposed to drop back and cover a Te or a Rb in the flat.

      These are very dangerous picks to make in the first round. Both these picks don’t scream 34 DE and OLB. I have not liked TT last three first round picks at all.
      I share your concern but expect DJ to be at 295 for the niners game along as the starter.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post
        Well if it makes you feel better Lamar Woodley, Shawne Merriman, Terrell Suggs, Paul Kruger, Connor Barwin, Ryan Kerrigan, Tamba Hali are all examples of guys in that weight range who play the position.
        But how many of these guys played in a 34 defense in college? I'm asking b/c I honestly don't know. I do know that Nick Perry was a straight hand on the ground rusher in college. Obviously its to early to judge him and Datone Jones, but both seem like really risky picks to say the least. I don't mind drafting a project or two every draft, but I would rather draft guys who are more familiar with the positions they are projected to play. That's not to say they both can't become great players, but I feel they carry much more risk then our previous first rounders.
        Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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        • #49
          Originally posted by PaCkFan_n_MD View Post
          But how many of these guys played in a 34 defense in college? I'm asking b/c I honestly don't know. I do know that Nick Perry was a straight hand on the ground rusher in college. Obviously its to early to judge him and Datone Jones, but both seem like really risky picks to say the least. I don't mind drafting a project or two every draft, but I would rather draft guys who are more familiar with the positions they are projected to play. That's not to say they both can't become great players, but I feel they carry much more risk then our previous first rounders.
          I think Perry is probably playing his natural position in the NFL. His playing weight in college was more like 255-260 than his combine weight. He was trying to appeal to 4-3 teams as well. The position change isn't what made him a risky pick IMO, it was that he's a super big, super fast, super strong, super explosive monster but played like he was 240 lb speed only rusher like KGB. He needs Kevin Greene to brainwash him in order to reach all that potential.
          70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by PaCkFan_n_MD View Post
            But how many of these guys played in a 34 defense in college? I'm asking b/c I honestly don't know. I do know that Nick Perry was a straight hand on the ground rusher in college. Obviously its to early to judge him and Datone Jones, but both seem like really risky picks to say the least. I don't mind drafting a project or two every draft, but I would rather draft guys who are more familiar with the positions they are projected to play. That's not to say they both can't become great players, but I feel they carry much more risk then our previous first rounders.
            Tgorvac said no one in college football plays the packers scheme -- all picks are projections to the packer's scheme.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
              Tgorvac said no one in college football plays the packers scheme -- all picks are projections to the packer's scheme.
              He also said UCLA plays a very similar scheme to the Packers. So which one is it?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by mission View Post
                He also said UCLA plays a very similar scheme to the Packers. So which one is it?
                similar but not exact.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                  similar but not exact.
                  I just don't think Datone is that much of a "projection" in this scheme.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by mission View Post
                    I just don't think Datone is that much of a "projection" in this scheme.
                    He is due his current size. Hope you are right though.

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                    • #55
                      He's not much smaller than JJ Watt or Justin Smith... hope I'm right too!

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by mission View Post
                        He's not much smaller than JJ Watt or Justin Smith... hope I'm right too!
                        IMO to be a 3 down guy needs to be at Packer desired 295.

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                        • #57
                          Justin Smith is 6'4" and 270 lbs.
                          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by mission View Post
                            He also said UCLA plays a very similar scheme to the Packers. So which one is it?
                            Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                            similar but not exact.
                            Trgo did say you normally don't see their defense in college when discussing Boyd.

                            But Jones was another matter with Nolan as coach. Nolan runs both 3-4 and 4-3 and Jones played both.

                            Trgovac on Datone tape before Combine: his defenses were our defenses, got to see him in the 4-, the 5-, the 3- , the 1- even some of the 0- tech stuff and some 3 man front and he went down to play over the nose so we got to see him in all that stuff.
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                              Justin Smith is 6'4" and 270 lbs.
                              e-mail tgorvac and mcginn

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                                Justin Smith is 6'4" and 270 lbs.
                                listed at 6-4" 285 lbs

                                http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2552/justin-smith

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