Packers Draft

[woodbuck27]

Even, ClarionLedger gives the Pack an A-.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130428/SPORTS02/130428036/2013-NFL-draft-grades-Chiefs-Rams-Ravens-top-class

- Green Bay Packers: Looks like GM Ted Thompson's usual haul of potential starters. Don't be shocked if fourth-round RB Johnathan Franklin pushes second-rounder Eddie Lacy for playing time. Grade: A-

Alot of cloned reports there ThunderDan.

Did you find the ones that ranked the likes of Minny, San Fran, Baltimore and Carolina high? I heard last night that KC (and former TT peer, John Dorsey) had a superior draft to other NFL teams? Ohh yes! There's mixed opinions but some sites have Seattle and Indy doing very well.

I'm having trouble finding any site that clearly rates TT's draft as top shelf. I believe overall he'll come in with about a 'B'. I'm looking for some glowing praise for TT's draft.

PACKERS !

[ThunderDan]

Alot of cloned reports there ThunderDan.

Did you find the ones that ranked the likes of Minny, San Fran, Baltimore and Carolina high? I heard last night that KC (and former TT peer, John Dorsey) had a superior draft to other NFL teams? Ohh yes! There's mixed opinions but some sites have Seattle and Indy doing very well.

I'm having trouble finding any site that clearly rates TT's draft as top shelf. I believe overall he'll come in with about a 'B'. I'm looking for some glowing praise for TT's draft.

PACKERS !

Yes, I did see that other teams had good drafts also.

This isn't the NFL draft thread, I titled it "Packers Draft" for a reason.

I admit I don't follow the draft that closely. I turn on ESPN every hour or two to see who the Pack picked and don't do research on players. So when I want to see how the Packers draft came out I think I will give a little more weight to draft analysis from SI or Mel Kiper than Woodbuck27 on PackerRats.

[George Cumby]

The draft is like Christmas but without getting to open the packages that morning. Saint Tedolaus has delivered 11 wrapped packages 'neath our tree. Some of the packages are very plain, some are gaudy, some are very large and offer great things, others are very small and appear to be doomed to disappoint. Over the next three years we get to unwrap these gifts at varying rates. Sometimes one gets to unwrap a plainly wrapped package immediately and realize it was oddly shaped because its an awesome bike (CMIII). Sometimes one gets to unwrap a big shiny package first thing and find out its empty (Brian Brohm). Sometimes it takes four years to unwrap that package and one finds a lump of coal ( Justin Harrell) or a diamond ring (Aaron Rodgers).

The optimism of fans is born of that same childlike wonder and anticipation of Christmas morning. If it's too optimistic for some, tough candy canes. It's FUN to dream that you just got a surfboard under the tree and not an ironing board.

We won't know for three years what the real grade will be, we might as well enjoy the process and remember that we are still unwrapping gifts from the previous three drafts...........

[woodbuck27]

I'm trying to decided if my dislike for a player is clouding my judgement on him being drafted.

Eddie Lacy pick really dont like. Lets be honest, MM is not a running coach....he passes to pass and even the second coming of Barry Sanders wouldnt change that.....why then would a team use a 3rd on a running back? All of us have seen the lack of commitment to the run; so as a GM why would you use a pick? Lets look at the player himself....yes he had 1300 yards for a 6.0 average with ONLY 17tds....all this playing for a team that for the most part ran the ball late in games he broke 100 only 5 times. All that, and 3 out of his 5 OL were drafted this year, two in the first round!

The Franklin pick doesnt bother me, he seems to be more of the 3rd down back type which is really all MM does on every down. I've heard Lacy can catch as well, but doesnt have the jitter-bug types moves as Franklin.

The mid pick OL seem to be projects, none of them will help in the short term. I was hoping to get a DL and OL in the first two rounds to help the DL and give some compeition at the tackle position on the OL......these guys dont seem like they will provide much competition this year.

In a draft that was to be deep on S, we drafted none. You can say what you want about the "youth back there" as both MM & TT have said, but anyone who watched the games will see the hole. I have hopes for MD Jennings...but McMillian seems like Atri Bigby; like to play at the line, but sucks in coverage.

I really like the 7th round WR's we took. FINALLY, a big(both are 6'4") and fast(both ran 4.4 & 4.47) bodies. Again, they wont help this year, but a year on the PS and maybe they can fill in.

Since people want grades, I will give them a "C". The only reason it is that high is because I have learned never to doubt TT when it comes to drafting players......ie Rogers, Matthews, Nelson, Cobb.......only people wrong more often then me are weather people.

Solid analysis Packer fan.

I agree with you in terms of the WR's that TT selected and size but there's so much more needed and those young men. I mean that in the most realistic sense.

RB Johnathan Franklin was a decent late 4th Rd. pick, as 'a one of'. That pick appears to cover TT's ass on the Eddie Lacy pick (Rd. 2 what...Pick #61). A selection of Eddie Lacy that might have been used elsewhere. It depends alot on philosophy and targets to match that. All the same selecting Eddie lacy has serious concerns for a 2nd rd. pick. TT has to hit big on that pick...not 'bigger' name.

The fellas with TT's 3rd (Pick #109) and 4th (pick #122) at OL. I'm guessing that he was targeting OL when he traded down from his 3rd Rd. pick #88. I was hoping he'd use that pick for alot of players on the board, BPA primary need...not trade down again.

Generally this trading down with the San Fran 49ers as his trading partner and them selecting very quality prospects bothered me. That made no sense to me.

In my view TT's whole effort seemed off. After his direction and Rd. 4 over...it got to be ...whatever... and more surprize that punctuated his draft.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Yes, I did see that other teams had good drafts also.

This isn't the NFL draft thread, I titled it "Packers Draft" for a reason.

I admit I don't follow the draft that closely. I turn on ESPN every hour or two to see who the Pack picked and don't do research on players. So when I want to see how the Packers draft came out I think I will give a little more weight to draft analysis from SI or Mel Kiper than Woodbuck27 on PackerRats.

That post makes it this:

Your taking it personal. So let's deal with that now.

You known where you can shove that mister. Take you silly agenda...somewhere far...far from me. I'm sick of your silly immature crap.

Your too obvious. You insult yourself.

Just one more thing. I don't have to back myself up. I put in the time. I've put in the time to care a hell of alot more about the Packers than any Mel Kiper or analyst on SI.

Time after time I've proven that I can analyze and out perform over the top a majority of these high paid network and football site analysts.

I can also gurantee this is a fact. None of those analysts likely put the effort in this draft mister (RE: Packers) as I certainly did. When you get right there (maybe? next year) you come back and post me.

Your here too often with the same silly agenda. To take me down and that's NOT going to happen. Trust that sonny.


GO PACK GO!

[ThunderDan]

That post makes it this:

Your taking it personal.

You known where you can shove that mister. Take you silly agenda...somewhere far...far from me. I'm sick of your silly immature crap.

Your too obvious. You insult yourself.

So saying I trust SI and Mel Kiper more than you is making it personal? You truly are delusional.

Just so we get this straight and you can get your (not you're) panties out of your ass.

TT or any NFL GM other than Matt Millan >>>> Sports professionals that focus on the NFL or draft like Mel Kiper >>>>>>> ThunderDan, Woodbuck27, other posters on the internet.


I am done with your crap today.

[woodbuck27]

So saying I trust SI and Mel Kiper more than you is making it personal? You truly are delusional.

Just so we get this straight and you can get your (not you're) panties out of your ass.

TT or any NFL GM other than Matt Millan >>>> Sports professionals that focus on the NFL or draft like Mel Kiper >>>>>>> ThunderDan, Woodbuck27, other posters on the internet.


I am done with your crap today.

Great ..... take your silly 'agenda' elsewhere.

Try posting with a different focus.

A contribution. You can disagree with me without 'the crap'. That's all it is with you and I mister....your bullshit.

[Guiness]

So saying I trust SI and Mel Kiper more than you is making it personal? You truly are delusional.

Just so we get this straight and you can get your (not you're) panties out of your ass.

TT or any NFL GM other than Matt Millan >>>> Sports professionals that focus on the NFL or draft like Mel Kiper >>>>>>> ThunderDan, Woodbuck27, other posters on the internet.


I am done with your crap today.

I was with you until you mentions Mel Kiper as a sports professional! He is in that he makes a living at it, but...

He reminds me of car reviewers or movie critics that work for industry sponsored publications - everything is FABULOUS! Did you see his reviews of this past draft? Everyone got As and Bs, with the exception of Buffalo - the team that went out and got the QB they wanted!

[pbmax]

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

[Zool]

I swear to fucking hell that this is 2010 all over again and I'm stuck in some sort of Groundhogs Day movie. Don't we do this exact same dance every year with the same partners?

[hoosier]

I'm trying to decided if my dislike for a player is clouding my judgement on him being drafted.

Eddie Lacy pick really dont like. Lets be honest, MM is not a running coach....he passes to pass and even the second coming of Barry Sanders wouldnt change that.....why then would a team use a 3rd on a running back? All of us have seen the lack of commitment to the run; so as a GM why would you use a pick? Lets look at the player himself....yes he had 1300 yards for a 6.0 average with ONLY 17tds....all this playing for a team that for the most part ran the ball late in games he broke 100 only 5 times. All that, and 3 out of his 5 OL were drafted this year, two in the first round!

The Franklin pick doesnt bother me, he seems to be more of the 3rd down back type which is really all MM does on every down. I've heard Lacy can catch as well, but doesnt have the jitter-bug types moves as Franklin.

The mid pick OL seem to be projects, none of them will help in the short term. I was hoping to get a DL and OL in the first two rounds to help the DL and give some compeition at the tackle position on the OL......these guys dont seem like they will provide much competition this year.

In a draft that was to be deep on S, we drafted none. You can say what you want about the "youth back there" as both MM & TT have said, but anyone who watched the games will see the hole. I have hopes for MD Jennings...but McMillian seems like Atri Bigby; like to play at the line, but sucks in coverage.

I really like the 7th round WR's we took. FINALLY, a big(both are 6'4") and fast(both ran 4.4 & 4.47) bodies. Again, they wont help this year, but a year on the PS and maybe they can fill in.

Since people want grades, I will give them a "C". The only reason it is that high is because I have learned never to doubt TT when it comes to drafting players......ie Rogers, Matthews, Nelson, Cobb.......only people wrong more often then me are weather people.

I don't have that sense about McCarthy. I think that, everything else being equal, he would prefer balanced to pass-heavy. Here is an anecdote: I was just watching replays of last year's games against Jacksonville, Arizona and at Detroit, all three of which were very mediocre showings by the offense. In all three he started out running Green and Starks fairly often, and the results were remarkably consistent: 2 yard run to the right, 2 yard run to the left, pass (incompletion), punt. 4 yard run left, -2 yard run right, incompletion, punt. With a more productive running game, the Packers will have longer, more efficient drives and will give themselves even more chances to run the ball. Not to mention what it will do for the play action passing.

The success of this draft will depend on Jones's development as a three-down defensive lineman and on Lacy's long-term health. If you really think any of the pundits can predict those better than TT, Woodbuck, try taking a look at the grades he received in the 2009 draft, which is probably the best the Packers have done since Wolf's 1995 monster draft.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I so want to share in the joy some of you are sure that TT has given us.

If I did so I'd be lieing to myself.

Please don't allow what I experienced to dampen your joy. Revel in that joy but today and until I get there. Being as rational as I am. It won't be.

Frankly...I'm not over joyed with any of TT's picks at the spots he made them. I'm certainly not impressed with TT's watered down product overall in 'his draft'. His draft 'clear and simple'... shocked me.

Again ... please fill your boots on any joy that you feel. Good for you.

As a Packer fan I cannot get there.

GO PACK GO !

No worries. Your opinion of the draft is yours. Mine doesn't start until the players actually hit the field and they perform.

[packrulz]

It's silly to grade the draft until 4 years down the road. Tony Mandarich was supposed to be a stud and Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.

[woodbuck27]

Great ..... take your silly 'agenda' elsewhere.

Try posting with a different focus.

A contribution. You can disagree with me without 'the crap'. That's all it is with you and I mister....your bullshit.

OK ThunderDan:

I'm going to try this with you.

For some time now your imagining that your going to take me on here. I mean be honest and real in this observation. I'm more than sick of you and that. Don't deny this isn't the case. Your way too obvious.

This isn't the fricken neighbourhod where everytime we see one another it's going to be a fricken bust up. Don't imagine that your the next Scott Campbell. You can hardly hold a candle to Scott and shitstormin' crap. This isn't any place for that. Those days are history.

This is a Green Bay Packer forum. If your at all like me 'your Packer Home'. I want to enjoy that with all members here (including you). Express myself in matters Packers, as a discerning Packer fan.

I'm never going to be 'a Packer Homer'. I don't live in a perfect Green Bay Packer World. I call it as I see it. Yet never post to prove anything. I post to help discover the TRUTH.

You and I are inspite of obvious differences ...Green Bay Packer fans and members of Packerrats. We may compete in a Pro pickem'. Otherwise 'please', let go of the competition and your attitude towords me. It's worn out.

It's not going to get you 'anywhere honourable' man. To go on with your agenda Vs me.

GO PACK GO !

[LEWCWA]

I so want to share in the joy some of you are sure that TT has given us.

If I did so I'd be lieing to myself.

Please don't allow what I experienced to dampen your joy. Revel in that joy but today and until I get there. Being as rational as I am. It won't be.

Frankly...I'm not over joyed with any of TT's picks at the spots he made them. I'm certainly not impressed with TT's watered down product overall in 'his draft'. His draft 'clear and simple'... shocked me.

Again ... please fill your boots on any joy that you feel. Good for you.

As a Packer fan I cannot get there.

GO PACK GO !

Dude, you spend countless hours looking at what media says about these kids and probably watch some highlight reels on the internet and put together what you call your board. What a waste. GB and TT has had folks watching and grading these kids for a long time....They see them, talk to them and grade them. I will accept their board anyday over your watered down media driven crap. Who knew Jennings was better than Chad Jackson, Who knew Collins was a stud, who didn't want sitton until middle late draft, who woulda traded up to nab Mathews a one year starter.....You act as if you are a draft expert, when all you are is well read....I'm sure you didn't scout any of these players.......