Packers Draft

[Joemailman]

I swear to fucking hell that this is 2010 all over again and I'm stuck in some sort of Groundhogs Day movie. Don't we do this exact same dance every year with the same partners?

It would seem. Some here live in an alternative universe where 2010 never happened. Or it was lightning in a bottle. Or everybody played out of their minds. Or something.

[woodbuck27]

It's silly to grade the draft until 4 years down the road. Tony Mandarich was supposed to be a stud and Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.

Exactly but the media has to do something to earn their pay checks.

I gurantee this:

Every Packer fan should be hoping that Ted Thompson nailed this draft. A hundred different people would do it a hundred different ways. It's OK if it's all very confusing.

Ted Thompson believes that his draft team did a fine job. He's grateful for this new blood for our team. He'll do all he can to stand by his draft. How I or other's; feel about that draft and his maneuvering. Won't change the water on the beans.

Ted Thompson did the best that 'he' could do. Those '99' other people would 'surely', do it differently.

This isn't about. Dear Lord.... Ted Thompson must be defended. Ted Thompson does what Ted Thompson wants to.

I don't have to agree with him. Because I have my personal views of the Green Bay Packers.

I've had those views for longer than the age of many that post here. Those views are certainly focused on nothing but, 'good things' Green Bay Packers.

GO PACKERS !

[Joemailman]

Exactly but the media has to do something to earn their pay checks.

I gurantee this:

Every Packer fan should be hoping that Ted Thompson nailed this draft. A hundred different people would do it a hundred different ways. It's OK if it's all very confusing.

There's nothing very confusing here. Every Packers fan is hoping Thompson nailed this draft. Most of us are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who built the team that won the Super Bowl 2 years ago. Some aren't.

[woodbuck27]

Dude, you spend countless hours looking at what media says about these kids and probably watch some highlight reels on the internet and put together what you call your board. What a waste. GB and TT has had folks watching and grading these kids for a long time....They see them, talk to them and grade them. I will accept their board anyday over your watered down media driven crap. Who knew Jennings was better than Chad Jackson, Who knew Collins was a stud, who didn't want sitton until middle late draft, who woulda traded up to nab Mathews a one year starter.....You act as if you are a draft expert, when all you are is well read....I'm sure you didn't scout any of these players.......

Your points are well taken. All I have is what's available to any concientious NFL fan.

I have something else. I watch the Packers play football. I have eyes that see and a mind that can see where my team needs an adjustment. I know where my team needs help.

I have to rely on my concerted efforts to understand what's available among some 2400 eligible draft prospects to possibly fill certain needs for the Packers. If that is neglected by a watered down product of a draft I can express certain concern. That's what this forum is about.

When I'm convinced of my position no threat of 'hellfire or arctic ice'...no ridicule or insult can change my view.

That view (s) won't make me any less of a Packer fan then anyone else.

GO PACK GO !

[wist43]

It would seem. Some here live in an alternative universe where 2010 never happened. Or it was lightning in a bottle. Or everybody played out of their minds. Or something.

The words you are looking for are 'fart in the wind'.

[woodbuck27]

There's nothing very confusing here. Every Packers fan is hoping Thompson nailed this draft. Most of us are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who built the team that won the Super Bowl 2 years ago. Some aren't.

I disagree Joemailman. I havn't seen that.

Some Packer fans 'simply' disagree with TT's approach of trading down>>>trading down>>>more trading down>>> and not trading up to strengthen a pick.

TT has the philosophy of the more picks the better. To water down the product...the draft class...is best. The best way.

Frankly that's a remarkable way to go. What do you rely on Joemailman? A few worn down vehicles or a newer car for your transportation? The draft isn't about more is better. It's about drafting for quality not quantity. Simple here is better.

A sensable approach is to have some real hope for your Rd. 1 - Rd. 3 (maybe?) Rd. 4 picks.

Tell me 'please' Joemailman.

A) How many draft picks TT's has made, since he bagan drafting for the Packers in 2005?

B) How many of the fourth thru seventh Rd. picks have made a Pro Bowl?

c) How many of the fourth thru seventh Rd. picks are currently on the Green Bay Packer roster and picked prior to 2010?

d) In the cases where TT traded up in drafts. Did he get favourable results?

e) **How often did TT trade up in this draft? He had plenty of picks (10) on Saturday to do so.

f) What in your view was his justification for ignoring that option; when that option 'at least' demonstrates a sound strategy? That sound strategy working in his previous drafts.

GO PACK GO !

[Joemailman]

A) How many draft picks TT's has made, since he bagan drafting for the Packers in 2005?

B) How many of the fourth thru seventh Rd. picks have made a Pro Bowl?

c) How many of the fourth thru seventh Rd. picks are currently on the Green Bay Packer roster and picked prior to 2010?

d) In the cases where TT traded up in drafts. Did he get favourable results?

e) **How often did TT trade up in this draft? He had plenty of picks (10) on Saturday to do so.

Look it up yourself.

[woodbuck27]

I don't have that sense about McCarthy. I think that, everything else being equal, he would prefer balanced to pass-heavy. Here is an anecdote: I was just watching replays of last year's games against Jacksonville, Arizona and at Detroit, all three of which were very mediocre showings by the offense. In all three he started out running Green and Starks fairly often, and the results were remarkably consistent: 2 yard run to the right, 2 yard run to the left, pass (incompletion), punt. 4 yard run left, -2 yard run right, incompletion, punt. With a more productive running game, the Packers will have longer, more efficient drives and will give themselves even more chances to run the ball. Not to mention what it will do for the play action passing.

The success of this draft will depend on Jones's development as a three-down defensive lineman and on Lacy's long-term health. If you really think any of the pundits can predict those better than TT, Woodbuck, try taking a look at the grades he received in the 2009 draft, which is probably the best the Packers have done since Wolf's 1995 monster draft.

2009 was a terrific draft for TT. Absolutely.

It's the strategy in that draft that TT used that worked well for him. A strategy that 'just' makes sense.

Your points on Datone Jones and Eddie Lacy are certainly valid. He picked those prospects in 'the good food section' of this draft. He passed on another 'good food section'.... Round three. He traded down two times with our real rival..The San Francisco 49ers. Allowing the 49ers to move up!?? Why? What sense did that make to you?

Frankly ... that wasn't one of Ted Thompson's best moves...two times. Two times...why one time and using his arch rival as a trading partner? Would you imagine such a move with the Vikings or Bears?

Isn't the answer ...NO!?

Then ... why trading draft picks with the team that kicked the Packers ass twice last season?

I cannot be the 'only' Packer fan that questions that strategy.

PACKERS !

[gbgary]

jason cole gave us a b and that's the lowest i've seen. i gotta rely on these grades to give me some sort of bearing since i pay zero attention to college football...that and you guy's rants/raves. my personal opinion is i'm a little surprised we went running back instead of o-line or safety...but who am i to say anything since only time will tell.

[King Friday]

Lets be honest, MM is not a running coach....he passes to pass and even the second coming of Barry Sanders wouldnt change that

Then why did Deuce McAllister average 21 carries a game for McCarthy over 3 years in New Orleans?

McCarthy is all about BALANCE in his offense. The issue is that the talent at RB given to him by Thompson over the last 2-3 years has been PATHETIC. No one in their right mind would run very often with the crap backs we were trotting out there. When Cedric Benson comes in and looks like Jim Brown compared to everyone else, you know your RBs suck balls.

[Joemailman]

Packers were 16th in the NFL last year in passing attempts per game, and 16th in rushing attempts per game. Obviously the passed the ball more effectively than they ran it, but they sought balance.

[gbgary]

one of the boys on nfl live (espn) just said lacy would be the offensive rookie of the year. now wouldn't that be special?! (the other name mention was tavon austin)

[mission]

The draft is like Christmas but without getting to open the packages that morning. Saint Tedolaus has delivered 11 wrapped packages 'neath our tree. Some of the packages are very plain, some are gaudy, some are very large and offer great things, others are very small and appear to be doomed to disappoint. Over the next three years we get to unwrap these gifts at varying rates. Sometimes one gets to unwrap a plainly wrapped package immediately and realize it was oddly shaped because its an awesome bike (CMIII). Sometimes one gets to unwrap a big shiny package first thing and find out its empty (Brian Brohm). Sometimes it takes four years to unwrap that package and one finds a lump of coal ( Justin Harrell) or a diamond ring (Aaron Rodgers).

The optimism of fans is born of that same childlike wonder and anticipation of Christmas morning. If it's too optimistic for some, tough candy canes. It's FUN to dream that you just got a surfboard under the tree and not an ironing board.

We won't know for three years what the real grade will be, we might as well enjoy the process and remember that we are still unwrapping gifts from the previous three drafts...........

Nice post, man... hopefully we don't get any Aunt Gertrude presents this year!

[woodbuck27]

I don't have that sense about McCarthy. I think that, everything else being equal, he would prefer balanced to pass-heavy. Here is an anecdote: I was just watching replays of last year's games against Jacksonville, Arizona and at Detroit, all three of which were very mediocre showings by the offense. In all three he started out running Green and Starks fairly often, and the results were remarkably consistent: 2 yard run to the right, 2 yard run to the left, pass (incompletion), punt. 4 yard run left, -2 yard run right, incompletion, punt. With a more productive running game, the Packers will have longer, more efficient drives and will give themselves even more chances to run the ball. Not to mention what it will do for the play action passing.

The success of this draft will depend on Jones's development as a three-down defensive lineman and on Lacy's long-term health. If you really think any of the pundits can predict those better than TT, Woodbuck, try taking a look at the grades he received in the 2009 draft, which is probably the best the Packers have done since Wolf's 1995 monster draft.

I wanted to come back to your post.

ThunderDan's thread is specific to the NFL media analyst's grading of the NFL teams performance. Specific to the drafting process last week. I looked again and wasn't able (yet) to rediscover a certain analyst's three point criteria for his grade. I think it was on ESPN but I'm not a subsciber there.

Here is one other grading I found of the Packers performance in this draft, and for what it's worth, as it may be judged somewhat subjective:

Green Bay Packers 2013 NFL Draft Review

http://www.13wham.com/sports/story/Green-Bay-Packers-2013-NFL-Draft-Review/SgCd8uyB_kOj-hypB6lMKw.cspx?rss=107

and this NFLN Teams grading by Mel Kiper Jr (via) Kevin Seifert. Not sure if it's the same LINK I placed on an earlier post, also by Kevin Seifert.

In any case here the author claims that Mr. Kiper gave TT and his draft team a B+ Grade or a solid grade:

Just like in people there are contradictions. Various manners of looking at anything and thus measuring.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4683460/mel-kiper-jr-2013-draft-grades-nfc-north

PACKERS !

[hoosier]

2009 was a terrific draft for TT. Absolutely.

It's the strategy in that draft that TT used that worked well for him. A strategy that 'just' makes sense.

Your points on Datone Jones and Eddie Lacy are certainly valid. He picked those prospects in 'the good food section' of this draft. He passed on another 'good food section'.... Round three. He traded down two times with our real rival..The San Francisco 49ers. Allowing the 49ers to move up!?? Why? What sense did that make to you?

Frankly ... that wasn't one of Ted Thompson's best moves...two times. Two times...why one time and using his arch rival as a trading partner? Would you imagine such a move with the Vikings or Bears?

Isn't the answer ...NO!?

Then ... why trading draft picks with the team that kicked the Packers ass twice last season?

I cannot be the 'only' Packer fan that questions that strategy.

PACKERS !

Simple. He traded down twice in the third because he had a bunch players rated approximately the same, and was confident to certain that at least one of them would still be there when the Packers picked next.

If the trade is a fair trade then by definition the other team (San Fran) is not gaining any advantage in it, and in that case I would not worry too much about giving an edge to the team that had the Packers number last year. Besides, this isn't the 70s and 80s, dynasties are a thing of the past. It's the Rams and the Panthers you need to be watching out for, not the Niners!