Packers Draft

[Gunakor]

Some pretty flawed logic going on in this thread. I can't believe it even needs to be said but how on Earth are some of you entertaining the idea that you need to be a starter to warrant a draft pick and everyone outside of your core of probowl players needs to be moved off the roster? After 3 years of being decimated by injuries you guys really want to put more eggs in less baskets? Completely detached from reality. Guys like Newhouse and Starks have gotten us out of some pretty important games including a superbowl. A 53 man roster only carries 22 starters, the rest are backups and/or role players and/or in development and/or special teamers. There is a salary cap and we just lost a former 2nd round pick because of it. Had we not lost another to a career ending injury we'd be losing another. The thought that we can fill the entire 53 man roster with players like that is a sensationally alarmist steaming pile of lie turds.

Right, but we don't have even 1 legitimate starting center amongst 80 players signed/to be signed for training camp. Reshuffling the bottom of the roster is inevitable, but you'd hope to have legitimate starting talent at all 22 starting positions. We don't. That's a problem.

[Gunakor]

Yeah, and how has that worked out??

Bulaga, Lang and Sitton are all locks for their starting positions. So 60% hit rate. It isn't terrible.

[denverYooper]

I seriously wonder if you homers are capable of critical and logical thinking??

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[3irty1]

EDS is not a great player but he's not a liability either. If he represents the worst case scenario at center then we're in great shape there with all the competition he'll get. Newhouse's competition is much much scarier IMO. First of all its a more important position but also it depends on a big external factor: Sherrod's health.

[Mazzin]

I don't have any idea what the beef with you two is, but who cares. He made a post which wasn't directed towards anyone and it seemed you attacked him. That's what I see from the outside looking in. Everyone has different opinions on how the draft should go, that much is obvious. To me I think in the draft the more shit you throw at a wall the more that will stick. Think Sam Shields, Brad Jones, late picks or UDFA, I trust in the people getting PAID to evaluate talent personally. Also Woody just out of curiosity, would you be so kind as to tell us who you would have drafted at each of the picks we traded down with, this way we can look at this silly thread 2 years from now and you guys can point fingers and say who was right and what not.

[Gunakor]

EDS is not a great player but he's not a liability either. If he represents the worst case scenario at center then we're in great shape there with all the competition he'll get.

That's not the worst case scenario. Worst case scenario is EDS gets hurt and Tretter is snapping balls to Rodgers, vs. an actual center as the starter where if he got hurt EDS could step in as his backup.

[3irty1]

That's not the worst case scenario. Worst case scenario is EDS gets hurt and Tretter is snapping balls to Rodgers, vs. an actual center as the starter where if he got hurt EDS could step in as his backup.

That could be said for every single position on the team.

[hoosier]

I don't have any idea what the beef with you two is, but who cares. He made a post which wasn't directed towards anyone and it seemed you attacked him. That's what I see from the outside looking in. Everyone has different opinions on how the draft should go, that much is obvious. To me I think in the draft the more shit you throw at a wall the more that will stick. Think Sam Shields, Brad Jones, late picks or UDFA, I trust in the people getting PAID to evaluate talent personally. Also Woody just out of curiosity, would you be so kind as to tell us who you would have drafted at each of the picks we traded down with, this way we can look at this silly thread 2 years from now and you guys can point fingers and say who was right and what not.

Something tells me that, for better or worse, Woodward is not going to be sharing his Big Board with us anytime soon.

[rbaloha1]

EDS is not a great player but he's not a liability either. If he represents the worst case scenario at center then we're in great shape there with all the competition he'll get. Newhouse's competition is much much scarier IMO. First of all its a more important position but also it depends on a big external factor: Sherrod's health.

Unsure why there is considerable doubt concerning EDS -- did any one notice the line improvement over Saturday?

[wist43]

Bulaga, Lang and Sitton are all locks for their starting positions. So 60% hit rate. It isn't terrible.

Bulaga doesn't count for the purposes of this discussion b/c he was a 1st round pick.

Lang and Sitton are acknowledged by all as being hits in the later rounds; but that's 2 out 4 hits; and 4 hits out 44 at bats.

Some tried to poke a hole in my logic by mentioning all of the good picks in the starting lineup - every single one of them was a 1st or 2nd round pick. That doesn't poke holes in my argument - that supports my argument!!!

You best chance of finding a starter in the NFL draft?? rounds 1-3. Rounds 4-7 are dart throwing contests, and TT's numbers don't add up. 4/44 = 9.09%. And that's even including 4th round picks - which I consider to be fairly high picks.

The rest of the fodder might as well be street FA's - as those guys have about as good a chance at the roster as your average 6th/7th round pick. So stop stockpiling the picks, and move up to get some starters. Get your camp bodies and fill out the bottom of your roster thru street FA's and low cost vets.

Of course TT doesn't want anyone over 18 on his roster, so vets on the downside, but still having something to offer need not appply.

[Guiness]

Lacy is in one of the best positions to win O-ROY. There aren't many QB's looking to be in it this year. He could easily be our #1 RB, and rush for over 1,200 yards and a bunch of TD's. Let's not forget, there was a time when Ryan Grant was getting 4.4YPC and 1,200 yards per season. Lacy could have a very big year.

True. O-ROY has been reserved for the top QB 4 of the last 5 years. With no rookie QB likely to start, it's a wide open race. Well, Smith could start for the Jets I guess

Interesting, the last 2 non-QB winners have been from the Vikings, Harvin and Peterson!

[3irty1]

Bulaga doesn't count for the purposes of this discussion b/c he was a 1st round pick.

Lang and Sitton are acknowledged by all as being hits in the later rounds; but that's 2 out 4 hits; and 4 hits out 44 at bats.

Some tried to poke a hole in my logic by mentioning all of the good picks in the starting lineup - every single one of them was a 1st or 2nd round pick. That doesn't poke holes in my argument - that supports my argument!!!

You best chance of finding a starter in the NFL draft?? rounds 1-3. Rounds 4-7 are dart throwing contests, and TT's numbers don't add up. 4/44 = 9.09%. And that's even including 4th round picks - which I consider to be fairly high picks.

The rest of the fodder might as well be street FA's - as those guys have about as good a chance at the roster as your average 6th/7th round pick. So stop stockpiling the picks, and move up to get some starters. Get your camp bodies and fill out the bottom of your roster thru street FA's and low cost vets.

Of course TT doesn't want anyone over 18 on his roster, so vets on the downside, but still having something to offer need not appply.

You're changing between your two arguments here. That was in regards to your question about how drafting for versatility was working out so far.

[Guiness]

"pre-2010 fourth round and later picks" Guiness

I don't dislike any Packer players Guiness.

Marshall Newhouse was drafted in 2010 Rd. 5 (169) before James Starks, Rd. 6 and CJ Wilson, Rd. 7.

I'm looking at Packers drafted 2009 and back to 2005 and Rd. 4-7 selections. I thought that was clear fr. above Guiness, or your understanding.

Johnny Jolly would be on the list as he was drafted by TT in 2006 Rd. 6 (183). He is one of the six I counted:

Mason Crosby; Desmond Bishop; Brad Jones; TJ Lang; Josh Sitton and Johnny Jolly.

The others were drafted prior to the 2010 season, meaning they've been on the roster for 3 years - pretty good for a late round pick, IMO. Adding a year to that raises the bar considerably - I doubt you'll find more than one or two other teams that meet the criteria:
-drafted in 4th round or later
-drafted in 2009 or earlier
-still with original team.

Other players (Bush, Goode, Masthay) may have originally been on other teams, but are still late rounders and show the value of those picks on a roster.

[Guiness]

Some pretty flawed logic going on in this thread. I can't believe it even needs to be said but how on Earth are some of you entertaining the idea that you need to be a starter to warrant a draft pick and everyone outside of your core of probowl players needs to be moved off the roster? After 3 years of being decimated by injuries you guys really want to put more eggs in less baskets? Completely detached from reality. Guys like Newhouse and Starks have gotten us out of some pretty important games including a superbowl. A 53 man roster only carries 22 starters, the rest are backups and/or role players and/or in development and/or special teamers. There is a salary cap and we just lost a former 2nd round pick because of it. Had we not lost another to a career ending injury we'd be losing another. The thought that we can fill the entire 53 man roster with players like that is a sensationally alarmist steaming pile of lie turds.

+1

Salary Cap baby. Can't have starters all through the roster, including the back up positions, this isn't MLB, and the Pack is not the Yankees.

[wist43]

You're changing between your two arguments here. That was in regards to your question about how drafting for versatility was working out so far.

You're right... easy to change lanes on the fly - tryin to get some breakfast together here

As for the "versatility" debate, I don't consider those guys versatile - they are where they should be. I don't mind projecting a guy from college to the pros if the reason is that he was miscast in college, or for whatever reason was playing in a scheme that doesn't translate well to what the pro team does.

That said, I consider Lang to be an average to slightly below average starter, and should always have been viewed as a guard; Sitton is guard, period; and Bulaga is a OT, period. The Packers love to move guys around just for the hell of it, but it never works out. Although they've been doing much less of this lately.

We don't even have a true center on the roster. Everyone points to the upgrade of EDS over Saturday (one of the very few vets TT has brought in); but Saturday took himself out of the lineup b/c he knew his body was done - he couldn't play effectively, and did the right thing and benched himself.

Schwenke was available, Jones was available - draft a guy, and forget about the position for 4-5 years. Now we're right back where we started - the 32nd ranked LT and center.

If you think protecting your $100 million investment with low end players is a good idea, then you shouldn't mind watching Graham Harrell sooner rather than later. 51 sacks?? It's just a matter of time.