Summary of Packer Trades

[Patler]

My apologies if someone has already done this in another thread.
I like to look at the combined effect of the trades.
First, the individual trades:

#55 for #61 & #173
#88 for #93 & #216
#93 for #109, #146 & #224
#146 & #173 for #125.

If you sum it up, cancelling out the picks that were acquired and subsequently traded, this is what the Packers did during the draft:

#55 & #88 were traded for #61, #109, #125, #216 and #224.

[Guiness]

Only one that really bothered me was the first one, #55 for #61 & #173. Moving back 6 spots in the second should've netted them more than a 6th round pick. One pick later, the Seahawks made an almost identical trade, moved back 6 picks and picked up a 5th and 6th round pick!

I know, these things don't happen in a bubble, you talk to whoever calls, and it was Jim on the line, not John!

[Old School]

I don't put 100% stock in the point system. We should consider that TT didn't trade for points or green stamps. I don't think he thought twice about whether or not he was helping SF. I think his only concern, and it had sure better be, that the moves in the end would benefit the Packer roster.

Nobody here knows the abilities and personalities of the players in the draft TT does; let alone the intimate knowledge of the players on the Packer roster.

[Patler]

That's why I did not attached any point values to the trades, or even identify what round the picks were in, just identified the draft position #s.
It doesn't matter if it is a "4th" round, "5th" round, or whatever.

That said, I agree with Guiness, the first trade looks light; but for that matter, the second one does, too. The extra pick acquired, #216, is essentially a throw-away pick, with value coming as much from shear numbers, as anything.

[Bretsky]

TT gave away the 2nd for a low end JAG because he really didn't care if he ended up with Lacy or Ball. But he still gave it away and the team right behind him got nice value

[Freak Out]

If the Niners really wanted that ILB you would think he could have got more than what he did from them.....

[Smeefers]

If TT had a 6+ guys all rated the same with several avenues he could persue, which would all still make him happy, getting anything extra and still being able to "get your guy" is a plus.

[Carolina_Packer]

I think TT addressed this concern about not getting enough value back for moving back in the 2nd round. Theoretically, if he wanted to sell the pick to move back because he liked enough players to know he was going to get someone he was targeting, so why not get SOMETHING for moving back. It's not like you have hours and unlimited trade partners. Yes, I guess you could call the war rooms of the next several teams that would be picking and ask if they want to move up and how much are you willing to give me. San Fran was the trading partner, I'm sure they said here's what we're offering for the pick, take it or leave it. I'm guessing he didn't have a lot of choices at the time. He could say no thanks to San Fran and take his chances on another team wanting to move up and calling him, but then if he overplays his hand, he's "stuck" with the #55 pick and loses out on moving back and getting an extra pick. We know he's OK with moving back at that point, so the question is just how much can/will he get for it. Yes, as it turns out, it's too bad we didn't know Ozzie was looking to move up and was being more generous, but that could have bit us in the behind if we have to wait one more spot for pick #62 (Baltimore's original spot) because the Seahawks may have just decided to pick Eddie Lacy at #56. You just never know.

[wist43]

I was listening to 1250am, and they were talking about Ted's comments - saying in effect, that TT made these trades on a spur of the moment and didn't really haggle are bother to check value.

TT can take all those trades and shove 'em up his ass - the 2 trade downs from the 3rd round are what really pissed me off. It was at that point that TT passed on a lot of good football players that really could have improved our team.

cbssportsline has a column talking about picks made after the first round that will provide immediate impact for their teams.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/22170351/nfl-draft-12-nonfirst-round-rookies-who-will-make-an-instant-impact

Lot of good players on that list - that many Packerrats had their eye on for improving our team; of course TT would rather throw spitballs at bartenders.

Cyprien, Alonso, Le'Veon Bell, Jamar Taylor, Arthur Brown, Brian Winters, Quintin Patton...

This draft was bizaare, and I don't think - overall - this draft is going to help us much. If Johnson turns out I'll feel better about it, but I don't like the muslim guy; don't think Boyd or either of the LB'ers will make the team - and that's saying something b/c our front seven sucks.

This was not a good draft - even if Jones and Lacy turn out to be players.

[sharpe1027]

The reality is that if you call to initiate a trade you have less leverage than if someone calls you. Can't know all the details but I have to figure the packers might have been the ones actively seeking trading partners on most or all these moves.

It really comes down to trusting your player evaluations. If you can't separate multiple players, then who gives a rip about "points," talking heads, or fans posting on internet forums. If you get anything and still get one of your guys it is a net plus.

[3irty1]

I was listening to 1250am, and they were talking about Ted's comments - saying in effect, that TT made these trades on a spur of the moment and didn't really haggle are bother to check value.

TT can take all those trades and shove 'em up his ass - the 2 trade downs from the 3rd round are what really pissed me off. It was at that point that TT passed on a lot of good football players that really could have improved our team.

cbssportsline has a column talking about picks made after the first round that will provide immediate impact for their teams.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/22170351/nfl-draft-12-nonfirst-round-rookies-who-will-make-an-instant-impact

Lot of good players on that list - that many Packerrats had their eye on for improving our team; of course TT would rather throw spitballs at bartenders.

Cyprien, Alonso, Le'Veon Bell, Jamar Taylor, Arthur Brown, Brian Winters, Quintin Patton...

This draft was bizaare, and I don't think - overall - this draft is going to help us much. If Johnson turns out I'll feel better about it, but I don't like the muslim guy; don't think Boyd or either of the LB'ers will make the team - and that's saying something b/c our front seven sucks.

This was not a good draft - even if Jones and Lacy turn out to be players.

When was the last time a 5th round draft pick didn't make the team in the same year he was drafted? Jamon Meredith? I think you got your blood up, said something stupid that you really didn't mean a day or two ago and now feel like you have to stick to it even now. If that's not the case then nevermind but just so you know it doesn't have to be like that. Everyone knows and loves your internet persona, especially me, and nobody is going to go all ad hominem on you if you walk this statement back from beyond the seven circles of Skip Bayless. I think you're a damn fine poster and a funny guy and I'd like to think we have enough of a relationship that I could do the same with you for the sake of rational argument.

[woodbuck27]

Hi Patler:

Here's something for you to chew on:

Ted Thompson's constant failure to make Draft Trade Transactions and fail to get decent value back for 'the Green Bay Packers'.

Here is one of the biggest reasons that Ted Thompson let me down in this draft. I watched it happen once and was shocked. To watch it happen 2-3-4 times was ridiculous... not acceptable.

Here are the details. Is this really OK?

NFL DRAFT - TRADE VALUE CHART:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

All Transactions in the 2013 NFL DRAFT:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap10...-all-the-moves

Packers Transactions - 2013 NFL DRAFT:

#4 Transaction Sat. April 27, 2013

Johnathan Franklin drafted by Packers after trade with Broncos

The Packers receive: 2013 fourth-round pick...No. 125: RB Johnathan Franklin

Broncos receive:

2013 fifth-round pick... No. 146 Was Fr. Dolphins: DE Quanterus Smith

and ... 2013 sixth-round pick ... No. 173: Was Fr. 49ers ... OT Vinston Painter

Transaction ... Packers owe Broncos 14 Pts

Surely TT will make this work OK for the Green Bay Packers...NO WAY !

Ted Thompson gives back to the Broncos Rd. 6 Pick #173 or 22.2 Pts.

That's 'a loss' to the Green Bay Packers of 8.2 Pts; or a mid 7th rd. pick value value... gone !

Add it all up and see for yourself what Ted Thompson; 'just' gave away to the 49ers,Dolphins and finally Broncos.

Why did Ted Thompson allow this to happen.

It all adds up to 78 Trade Value Points or Equivalent to a Mid 4th round Pick.

Was that insignificant to Ted Thompson? Just a little spilled milk?

Analysis: The Packers traded up to select another high-profile running back, taking UCLA's Johnathan Franklin. The Packers drafted Alabama running back Eddie Lacy at No. 61 overall Friday.

NFL Network analyst Charles Davis liked the move by the Packers:

"I think this is a big-time value pick. Johnathan Franklin plays bigger than what you think. He's compact, but he'll run inside the tackles. His problem in the past: Putting the ball on the ground." Charles Davis

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#3 Transaction: Friday, April 26

Dolphins trade for another third-round pick

Dolphins receive: 2013 third-round pick No. 93: Was Fr. 49ers ... CB Will Davis

The Packers receive:

2013 fourth-round pick No. 109: OT David Bakhtiari

2013 fifth-round pick No. 146: Traded to Broncos

2013 seventh-round pick... No. 224: WR Kevin Dorsey

This trade is worth 52 Pts back to the Packers. We 'only' got 33 + 2 = 35 Pts back.

The -ve differential >>> Dolphins = 17 Pts or on the Trade Value Chart = Rd. 6 (26) Pick # 126 overall.

TT's taken again !

Analysis: The Dolphins continued to make moves in the third round of the 2013 NFL Draft, sending three picks to the Packers in order to select Utah State cornerback Will Davis at No. 93 overall.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock didn't see Davis going in the third round: "I had a fifth-round grade on Davis. But he's a man corner with good ball skills. He'll be physical."

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#2 Transaction:Friday April 26, 2013

San Fran 49ers make deal with Packers to draft DE Corey Lemonier

49ers receive:2013 third-round pick ...No. 88: DE Corey Lemonier

Packers receive: 2013 third-round pick...No. 93: (Traded to Dolphins)

2013 seventh-round pick ... No. 216: WR Charles Johnson

Trade Value to Packers Fr. San Fran 49ers = 22 Pts

7th Rd. #216 = 5 Pts

SO ... The San Fran 49ers now take Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers down for:

17 Pts + 35.8 Pts = Total of 52.8 Pts or equiv. to a 4th Round Pick (25) # 121 overall.

Why did Ted Thompson let this slide by him 'not just one but two times'?

Take or 'Fool' me once 'shame on you'...Take or (fool) me twice, 'shame on me'.

AND It doesn't end there.... See Ted Thompson's 3rd and 4th Transactions in his 2013 DRAFT. He gets take down two (2) more times. In total in this draft; Ted Thompson is used like a doormat four times. TT gets 'taken downtown' in all four (4) transactions in this draft.

Why... Packer fans?

Analysis: The 49ers went after a pass rusher in the third round, drafting Auburn defensive end Corey Lemonier at No. 88 after trading two picks to the Packers.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock likes what Lemonier could provide the Niners: "Fits what they do. Kind of a somewhat conflicted pick in the sense that his talent would be a late-first to late-second round."

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#1 Transaction: Friday April 26, 2013

San Fran 49ers move up in second round

49ers receive: 2013 second-round pick ...No. 55: TE Vance McDonald

Packers receive:

2013 second-round pick ...No. 61: RB Eddie Lacy

2013 sixth-round pick...No. 173: (Traded to the Broncos)

Trade up Fr. #61 >>> #55 San Fran owes Packers 58 Pts. Trade Value

Note #173 = 22.2 Pts

San Fran 49ers took Ted Thompson down for 35.8 Pts in this transaction. That's worth a value equivalent to a mid 5th Rd. pick. They won't get away with that 'trick' again.... or will they?

See Transaction #2 with San Fran 49ers where Packers GM Ted Thompson gets taken again, by The San Fran 49ers.

Analysis: The 49ers moved up six picks in the second round by shipping two 2013 selections to the Packers.

Rice's Vance McDonald is considered one of the top tight ends available in the draft.

[Fritz]

I was listening to 1250am, and they were talking about Ted's comments - saying in effect, that TT made these trades on a spur of the moment and didn't really haggle are bother to check value.

TT can take all those trades and shove 'em up his ass - the 2 trade downs from the 3rd round are what really pissed me off. It was at that point that TT passed on a lot of good football players that really could have improved our team.

cbssportsline has a column talking about picks made after the first round that will provide immediate impact for their teams.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/22170351/nfl-draft-12-nonfirst-round-rookies-who-will-make-an-instant-impact

Lot of good players on that list - that many Packerrats had their eye on for improving our team; of course TT would rather throw spitballs at bartenders.

Cyprien, Alonso, Le'Veon Bell, Jamar Taylor, Arthur Brown, Brian Winters, Quintin Patton...

This draft was bizaare, and I don't think - overall - this draft is going to help us much. If Johnson turns out I'll feel better about it, but I don't like the muslim guy; don't think Boyd or either of the LB'ers will make the team - and that's saying something b/c our front seven sucks.

This was not a good draft - even if Jones and Lacy turn out to be players.

I just don't know. It seems wrong that TT didn't get as much in return for trading back as Seattle did, but as others have noted, the situation is fluid and who knows what went down, exactly?

The answer to whether this was all TT getting ripped off or not lies in the future. It will all depend on how this turns out. The year TT traded down or traded Favre (I don't remember) which) and picked up an extra second, I and a few other Packerrats were crowing about the genius of TT, getting that important second rounder. Then he picked Brian Brohm, and I read the scouts' reports, and he seemed like the perfect fit for GB - a guy they could develop over time.

And we all know how that turned out.

I was also incensed the year TT got hosed by The Hoody Genius - Thompson gave up a second and two thirds, or something insanely crazy, to move up into the #26 spot in the first round, I think. He took some pretty lowly rated linebacker there, and I thought TT was stoopid.

That was, of course, Clay Matthews.

So it all depends on how these guys turn out.

[Gunakor]

Can't believe people sweat PICK values this much. PICKS don't win football games, PLAYERS do.

Take Woody's first example for instance. Yes, we lost out on trade value re: the picks themselves, but we got Jonathan Franklin. Jonathan Franklin is probably comes with the most value of all the players selected with the picks traded in that deal for either team. In fact, it's probably not even gonna be close. While we lost a bit in terms of value of the pick, we won big time in terms of value of the player. Which do you think is more important come September?

[Fritz]

Can't believe people sweat PICK values this much. PICKS don't win football games, PLAYERS do.

Take Woody's first example for instance. Yes, we lost out on trade value re: the picks themselves, but we got Jonathan Franklin. Jonathan Franklin is probably comes with the most value of all the players selected with the picks traded in that deal for either team. In fact, it's probably not even gonna be close. While we lost a bit in terms of value of the pick, we won big time in terms of value of the player. Which do you think is more important come September?

I was just reading McCarthy's responses in what I think was his post-draft press conference, and I found something he said to be very revealing. He said "I really like the way Ted was able to space out the picks because we felt we were able to grab a player 26, 27, was the farthest gap we had between picks. That really helped us today."

To me, this suggests that the Packers had tiers of players, maybe twenty-five or thirty players per tier, and so the idea was to trade back as long as you could stay in the same tier by doing so. The Franklin trade-up may have come because they liked the kid - maybe he was in a tier above - so they decided he was worth giving up one of those picks. But MM's emphasis on the spacing - every 26 or 27 picks - suggests that he liked the way this fell with the Packers' board and the tiers they developed. He seemed pretty pleased, at least as the words looked on the page.