Summary of Packer Trades

[Patler]

Whether we take Lacy at 55 or 61 does not matter. If we were going to get Lacy anyway, why not pick up whatever we could get as well?

The 2nd trade is less defensible. I agree.

Maybe the third even more so than the second???
The second trade moved him only a little, from #88 to #93. But then he turned around and dropped even lower by trading #93.

[woodbuck27]

Maybe the third even more so than the second???
The second trade moved him only a little, from #88 to #93. But then he turned around and dropped even lower by trading #93.

There's the rub and the weakness in TT's strategy. Trading 'just once' again with San Fran was sketchy. Two times>>>Ohh boy>>>come on!?

How much of that and getting back so little two times fr. the same trading partner (the 49ers)!?

Prompted TT to try to re-coup by slipping out of Rd. 3 with no pick. After a trade of 3rd Rd pick #93?

Maybe TT was simply on a rampage of need to trade down as evidenced by him doing that for the third time trading Rd. 3 Pick #93 to the Dolphins on Friday night.

Ted Thompson loves using lots of picks. Ted Thompson actually believes that 'more' less quality >>> is better.

Amazing.

I call that strategy >>>more confusion>>>more disappointment.

No more nor less.

I'm not going to point at another debatable right or wrong in Ted Thompson's draft. I'm trying to direct the focus 'right there' ... to Round Three. How could he possibly justify trading out of Round Three? He had many solid options to pick from there.

Clearly he passed on better prospects in terms of measurement and College Football Programs. That doesn't add up to solid sense.

GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

If so, which of the 21 missed opportunities should he have jumped on?

[smuggler]

I think TT tried the same thing he did in the 2nd round again in the third and his guy got selected in front of him. I also would have taken Brandon Williams at #93 instead of trading back.

TT knows more about those specific players than me. If there was a problem with Brandon Williams, they you've got to pass. If Schwenke doesn't look just absolutely awesome, you can't trade up in the 4th. It wasn't obvious that the Titans would take him, all the same. 20/20 hindsight.

[Patler]

As for the two trades with SF, if you assume he had at least 7 equally weighted players at #55, and at least 6 equally weighted players at #88. does it matter who SF drafts, or who is left for the Packers? Getting anything at all from SF is net advantage to GB, is it not?

The Packers were fleeced in the first only if you conclude that #55 has vastly more potential than #61.
They were fleeced in the second only if you conclude that #88 has vastly more potential than #93.

[woodbuck27]

If so, which of the 21 missed opportunities should he have jumped on?

Who is my pick?

With this fella sitting there at Pick Rd. 3 #88. The pick would have been easy:

Hint #1: You know what I've posted about TT's pick at Rd. 1 Pick #26. Your aware of the potential for a catostrophy on our DL.

Hint #2: As Bretsky has posted. You know which player in that list was pimped around here the most at Packerrats.

Who is my Pick?

Hint #3: He's very strong and drafted by the Baltimore Ravens.

That 'Big Man' would have been hard to resist as my pick.

Hint #4: His initials are B. W.

That 'Big Man' and use Rd. 4 Pick #122 to grab RB Johnathan Franklin (maybe?) or draft from several other options at Rd. 4 Pick #122.

PACKERS !

[Patler]

I think TT tried the same thing he did in the 2nd round again in the third and his guy got selected in front of him. I also would have taken Brandon Williams at #93 instead of trading back.

So you think he targeted one or several players who were available at #88, and he thought at least one would still be available at #93; but all were gone when #93 rolled around, so he traded down from #93? Certainly is a plausible scenario. That would be the following players:

- Corey Lemonier
- Brennan Williams
- Keyvon Webster
- Duron Harmon
- Stedman Bailey

[woodbuck27]

As for the two trades with SF, if you assume he had at least 7 equally weighted players at #55, and at least 6 equally weighted players at #88. does it matter who SF drafts, or who is left for the Packers? Getting anything at all from SF is net advantage to GB, is it not?

The Packers were fleeced in the first only if you conclude that #55 has vastly more potential than #61.
They were fleeced in the second only if you conclude that #88 has vastly more potential than #93.

Ohh your tricky Patler...nice try:

Your argument is like TT's drafting strategy:

Unfortunately...

It's.............................................. ........................... 'watered down'.

Too far .................................................. .................right of 'CENTER'.

TT traded that Rd. 3 Pick #93 to the Dolphins. Your aware of that.

I Edited this for a reason...maybe your going to be fair Patler. Post to discover in good faith.


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[Patler]

Who is my pick?

With this fella sitting there at Pick Rd. 3 #88. The pick would have been easy:

Hint #1: You know what I've posted about TT's pick at Rd. 1 Pick #26. Your aware of the potential for a catostrophy on our DL.

Hint #2: As Bretsky has posted. You know which player in that list was pimped around here the most at Packerrats.

Who is my Pick?

Hint #3: He's very strong and drafted by the Baltimore Ravens.

That 'Big Man' would have been hard to resist as my pick.

Hint #4: His initials are B. W.

That 'Big Man' and use Rd. 4 Pick #122 to grab RB Johnathan Franklin (maybe?) or draft from several other options at Rd. 4 Pick #122.

PACKERS !

So for you it was all about Brandon Williams?
Williams and someone at #122 (Bakhtiari or Tretter, presumably, because he passed on Franklin to take Tretter, and he passed on Tretter to take Bakhtiari) is preferable to Bakhtiari, Tretter and Franklin?

Not arguing, just want to be sure I understand your position.

[woodbuck27]

So you think he targeted one or several players who were available at #88, and he thought at least one would still be available at #93; but all were gone when #93 rolled around, so he traded down from #93? Certainly is a plausible scenario. That would be the following players:

- Corey Lemonier
- Brennan Williams
- Keyvon Webster
- Duron Harmon
- Stedman Bailey

As I saw it TT's best Option DT Brandon Williams was on the board at Rd.3 Pick #88 and still there after he traded down with San Fran to Rd. 3 Pick #93.

The Baltimore Ravens picked DT Brandon Williams Rd. 3 Pick #94.

PACKERS !

[Patler]

Ohh your tricky Patler...nice try:

Your argument is like TT's drafting strategy:

Unfortunately...

It's.............................................. ........................... 'watered down'.

Too far .................................................. .................right of 'CENTER'.

TT traded that Rd. 3 Pick #93 to the Dolphins. Your aware of that.

I Edited this for a reason...maybe your going to be fair Patler. Post to discover in good faith.


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I replied to your unedited post, with your original posted quoted in it, so hopefully my response made sense.

As to this edited version, I don't get what you think was tricky. I simply referred to the two SF trades. I know he subsequently traded #93. I specifically identified it in my original post when I started this thread. What does that have to do with SF getting the best of him? Some have suggested that he was fleeced by SF. Maybe so, but in determining if he was or wasn't fleeced by SF the subsequent trade of #93 to Miami is irrelevant.

[Patler]

As I saw it TT's best Option DT Brandon Williams was on the board at Rd.3 Pick #88 and still there after he traded down with San Fran to Rd. 3 Pick #93.

The Baltimore Ravens picked DT Brandon Williams Rd. 3 Pick #94.

PACKERS !

So his real error was in the Miami trade, not the ones with SF in your opinion?

TT must not have been too high on Williams, because I doubt he expected him to last to #122, or at least he valued him no higher than the group he expected to be available at #122.

[smuggler]

He must not have. According to some sources, the Packers were targeting WR Stedman Bailey with the #93 pick. The Falcons traded out of #92 and the Packers lost him to the Rams.

So, no, TT was not targeting Brandon Williams.

[pbmax]

Ted Thompson loves using lots of picks. Ted Thompson actually believes that 'more' less quality >>> is better.

Amazing.

Please tell me you are joking here, you cannot actually believe that. If you did, how could you possibly explain trading up for Matthews, Morgan Burnett or Jonathan Franklin?

[woodbuck27]

So for you it was all about Brandon Williams?
Williams and someone at #122 (Bakhtiari or Tretter, presumably, because he passed on Franklin to take Tretter, and he passed on Tretter to take Bakhtiari) is preferable to Bakhtiari, Tretter and Franklin?

Not arguing, just want to be sure I understand your position.

No Patler.

"So for you it was all about Brandon Williams?" Patler

It wasn't all about Brandon Williams.

a) It's about TT watering down 'OUR' draft.

b) It's about his ego need to get lots of picks and thereby reducing the quality of the draft class overall.

c) It's about trading with partners and constantly getting hosed in those transactions. Four transactions and four times TT get's used badly. Him allowing that to serve his wrong agenda>>>more and >>>more picks>>> to serve his incredible EGO.

I could go on.

By the way Patler. Trying any mind game on this issue won't gain you any points. In a losing position. If this was a game of chess. I'd right now >>> advise you to re-sign.


It's very simple. Just like always. Play the HOMER Card.

You can cast me aside. I'll even offer you an alternative.

Try your best to simply pay a respect and read Wist43's scores of posts. Maybe... simply read a dozen of his posts firmly centered on TT's performance in this draft. That poster is busting his ass to help all Packer fans here see a better way. TT didn't demonstrate that better way on Saturday.

Just try to read Wist43. He certainly deserves such respect because he's knocked himself out. He gives it all up for Packerrats.Then (maybe??) you will understand better what this debate is about.

If I give it up? Act stupid and go to a specific player ie Brandon Williams or act emotional over any possible pick that TT passed on whenever he decided to us a pick.

Then you paint me in a corner. I'm not going to allow that Patler.

Otherwise if I just give it up. What do you learn Patler? Even you have room to learn. I learn daily.

GO PACK GO !