MCGINN POST NFL DRAFT CHAT

[Bretsky]

Some interesting stuff in here

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/204935441.html

[Upnorth]

Good find, thanks.
His comment on the safety class was interesting.

[call_me_ishmael]

I really like this draft for the Packers. I don't know much about the players picked but it seems to be filling the positions of need with bigger, heartier guys. Seemed a little more 'old school' TT in the trading back and acquiring lots of picks. I wonder how many will make the final roster. Seems like a safe bet that most of them will.

[Patler]

From his comments on Bakhtiari;

- lacks strength and power
- short for LT
- lacks the pop needed for LG, RG and RT
- scouts don't think he can get on the field or be legit player without increases in weight and strength

Doesn't this sound more like a 6th or 7th round pick than a highish fourth round? 109th player taken?

[smuggler]

Perhaps TT was thinking of turning him into a center. Supposedly he moves well for his size.

[wist43]

I liked his comments on the release of DJ Smith.

Attributes it as much to size as the injury. McGinn makes note of Thompson making too many exceptions to height-weight standards, stating, "You start taking too many exceptions, before long your roster is undersized. That's what happened to GB the past two years".

A player like Smith can survive in the NFL in the right system. Sam Mills played for Capers in Carolina, but what both of those players need is a good DL in front of them - especially a good 2-gap NT, something the Packers lack whenever Pickett isn't on the nose.

[Patler]

It is clear that he will now throw a size spin into ever Packer move that he can, just to justify his claim about the team's epiphany and commitment. For DJ Smith, it may have been a factor, but I wonder if his injury and the roster #s at mlb had as much to do with it as anything. Following the normal Packer scenario, Smith would have done nothing all summer, and might have been PUP'ed for TC and the start of the year. There are enough healthy bodies without him.

His spin on things actually makes me laugh. How anyone can take the selections of Bakhtiari, Tretter, Franklin, Hyde, Boyd, Palmer, Barrington and even Jones and spin it into a commitment to get bigger makes me chuckle. Not one is big for his position; several are on the small side and the others are average at best. He now constantly references Jones as having "prototypical size", yet in the past we have been told that weight has been a significant detriment to other DEs for their 3-4, and that they needed DEs around 300#. Suddenly, a guy who is 6'4", 275# is "prototypical size" while being only a bit taller but a lot lighter than Wilson and Neal. What was Mike Montgomery, at 6'5", 285# ?

[Cleft Crusty]

You've got old McGinn pegged there, Mr. Patler. The Urinalscented loves them some controversy - It sells digital access. It would have made a lot more sense for Bob to stick with the theme that the Packers were not going to let their 200 million dollar QB get the snot beat out of him. Move your best linemen to the left, and focus more on the run game. Pretty obvious the coaches and personnel staff saw the deficiency in the run game as a huge problem. The new O linemen fit the typical profile: versatile, athletic guys who have the physical skills and can and should get bigger and stronger with a year or two of NFL training. The one guy they select with a top pick on defense is there to get more pressure from - it seems - all over the defensive line. As usual, they expect huge internal improvement from rookies and/or guys on injured reserve. But its "all about size?" - nonsense, unless your hawking Extenze on a late night TV commercial.

[woodbuck27]

From his comments on Bakhtiari;

- lacks strength and power
- short for LT
- lacks the pop needed for LG, RG and RT
- scouts don't think he can get on the field or be legit player without increases in weight and strength

Doesn't this sound more like a 6th or 7th round pick than a highish fourth round? 109th player taken?

In a word....YES.

[woodbuck27]

I liked his comments on the release of DJ Smith.

Attributes it as much to size as the injury. McGinn makes note of Thompson making too many exceptions to height-weight standards, stating, "You start taking too many exceptions, before long your roster is undersized. That's what happened to GB the past two years".

A player like Smith can survive in the NFL in the right system. Sam Mills played for Capers in Carolina, but what both of those players need is a good DL in front of them - especially a good 2-gap NT, something the Packers lack whenever Pickett isn't on the nose.

It's al OK now.

TT has the focus:

This or that prospect drafted 'looks the part'.

He looks like a WR or a LBer.

Very re-assuring ....if not effusively eloquent stuff from Ted Thompson.

Are you kidding me Ted !!?? What's up with that secret manner of language? Is that supposed to inform me that you have even half a clue what your doing?

[pbmax]

At one point when we were discussing the transition to a 3-4 with Caper's hiring and how personnel would fit, Harvey did a survey of the (then) 5 or 6 teams using a 3-4. Most DEs were in the 280-290 range. They were step heavier than a pass rushing 4-3 DE from the right side and a step below the Power End on the left for a 4-3.

We are going to have to dig up the numbers again because I don't think the average and prototypical size is at 300 yet. The Packers ran heavy at that position in most years, esp. with starters. But those guys mostly topped 300 by a noticeable margin.

[swede]

At one point when we were discussing the transition to a 3-4 with Caper's hiring and how personnel would fit, Harvey did a survey of the (then) 5 or 6 teams using a 3-4. Most DEs were in the 280-290 range. They were step heavier than a pass rushing 4-3 DE from the right side and a step below the Power End on the left for a 4-3.

We are going to have to dig up the numbers again because I don't think the average and prototypical size is at 300 yet. The Packers ran heavy at that position in most years, esp. with starters. But those guys mostly topped 300 by a noticeable margin.

We are sorry to observe that you have replaced unnamed high level NFL sources with facts.

You have failed to frighten the readersheep with controversial positions that can be walked back or explained away or ignored completely, if discredited, at a later time.

Sorry, but you are no Bob McGinn.

[rbaloha1]

McGinn writes what the Packers are actually thinking but can not publically say.

The question is -- Are the Packers given their organizational directive of getting bigger and tougher drafting correctly to meet this directive? McGinn sometimes mocks this directive by the Packers trying too much to meet this directive by drafting a player like Lacy with a big injury history. Is it worth the risk?

It is just like the MM going into games attempting to run the ball more but gets caught up in the game and forgets. Postgame he mentions his mistake.

Suggest listening to the podcast then post comments about this stuff. Very insightful podcast imo even for the McGinn detractors.

[Bretsky]

From his comments on Bakhtiari;

- lacks strength and power
- short for LT
- lacks the pop needed for LG, RG and RT
- scouts don't think he can get on the field or be legit player without increases in weight and strength

Doesn't this sound more like a 6th or 7th round pick than a highish fourth round? 109th player taken?

I picked that up very clearly as well. What I read was a nice developmental guy ....nice finesse athlete guy who lacks strength. That would be consistent with why Wist hates the pick.....and the trade. I hope I'm wrong but I tend to agree with Wist on this one.

[Fritz]

I picked that up very clearly as well. What I read was a nice developmental guy ....nice finesse athlete guy who lacks strength. That would be consistent with why Wist hates the pick.....and the trade. I hope I'm wrong but I tend to agree with Wist on this one.

Same here. While I am quite opposed to Wist's world view of the Packer organization, and probably his world view of the world, too, I agree with him in a few specifics. This is one of them. Choosing another athletic, not strong, offensive lineman who isn't even accomplished right in the middle of the draft just doesn't make sense. I thought Ted was done with that Daryn Colledge mold.