Pick the Packer's Mt. Rushmore

[hoosier]

If a representative of the Packer renaissance is needed, it should be Wolf or Holmgren, not Favre. What did Bert ever win after Holmey left town?

[Cleft Crusty]

If a representative of the Packer renaissance is needed, it should be Wolf or Holmgren, not Favre. What did Bert ever win after Holmey left town?

three playoff games, NFC North championships, a whole collection of regular season games, not to mention all those individual QB records.

I suppose you'd put Shula on the Dolphin's Rushmore and leave Marino off then?

[Cleft Crusty]

If a representative of the Packer renaissance is needed, it should be Wolf or Holmgren, not Favre. What did Bert ever win after Holmey left town?

What did Holmgren ever win after he left town?

[hoosier]

What did Holmgren ever win after he left town?

At least he got to another SB. With the Dolphins I wouldn't have to worry about this little conundrum: Shula would represent the 70s and Marino would be the 80s. Only problem is, there is no Dolphins Golden Age or post-80s to represent, so they just get a two-headed Rushmore!

[Brandon494]

If a representative of the Packer renaissance is needed, it should be Wolf or Holmgren, not Favre. What did Bert ever win after Holmey left town?

Weak

[hoosier]

three playoff games, NFC North championships, a whole collection of regular season games, not to mention all those individual QB records.

And a 3-5 playoff record with three very memorable meltdowns. Favre was amazing when he played with some degree of control, but unfortunately that control pretty much went out the window in big games in the post-Holmgren era.

[Tony Oday]

Tony Mandrich, Brian Brohm, Joe Johnson and Ray Rhodes...

[Brandon494]

And a 3-5 playoff record with three very memorable meltdowns. Favre was amazing when he played with some degree of control, but unfortunately that control pretty much went out the window in big games in the post-Holmgren era.

Who were his coaches again after Holmgren left?

[Cleft Crusty]

And a 3-5 playoff record with three very memorable meltdowns. Favre was amazing when he played with some degree of control, but unfortunately that control pretty much went out the window in big games in the post-Holmgren era.

You put forth a myth that is common on these boards. Favre was a fantastic QB who took a lot of chances and trusted in his physical abilities to cover for a lack of discipline. He did this under Holmgren as well as after, the differences being that under Holmgren, some of those teams were good enough to overcome his errors (like against Carolina in the NFCC game in '96) and some weren't (like at Dallas in the NFCC game the year previously). I'll only mention - but I shouldn't have to - that many of the teams that Favre destroyed with 'meltdowns' would never have been where they were without him. Later, with Holgrem gone, it was a combination of skills diminishment and team diminishment that led to 'meltdowns' in the playoffs. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity knew that the Rams in 2001, Atlanta in 2002, and the Giants in 2007 were superior teams to the Packers. Philly in 2003 and Minnesota in 2004 were even matchups and Favre's meltdowns, that is, his bad errors could not survive bad coaching at Philly in 2003 and and awful defense in 2004.

In any case and to the point, legend and mythology have a lot to do with making a person into 'Rushmore Worthy.' Teddy Roosevelt would probably agree with me.

[hoosier]

Favre only made one error against Carolina, and it happened very early in the game, so I don't think it would be very objective to say that it was the team that overcame his errors. I'll grant your point that it's not fair to blame Favre for Atlanta. But the Rams loss, who knows what would have happened had Favre not thrown three pick-6s and six picks overall? I know, those weren't all his fault and yeah, he was trying to play catch up, but the Packers were in the game until he started throwing it to the other team. The 2007 Giants were not obviously superior by any stretch, unless you mean that the GB QB apparently didn't want to come out for the second half. In that game and the Philly game, Favre did not single handedly lose the game but he did make the killer mistake at a crucial moment when the game was still in the balance.

[Patler]

Who were his coaches again after Holmgren left?

Frick, Frack and Mike McCarthy

[3irty1]

I'll say Curly Lambeau and the bikini girls.

Lombardi and Starr were great great achievers but Lambeau founded the team, created a winning tradition, and his architecture of a public team is the biggest advantage in pro football. Hence the three bikini girls representing the owners and fans. That architecture has cemented football people making football decisions that has been the advantage leveraged by the organization to lead to the whose who of hall of fame players and coaches. I think that advantage is the most worth putting in stone as it will never go obsolete.

[Joemailman]

Lambeau
Lombardi
Hutson
Stafavrgers.

[Cleft Crusty]

Favre only made one error against Carolina, and it happened very early in the game, so I don't think it would be very objective to say that it was the team that overcame his errors.

Favre had a fumble and an INT that led to 10 points for Carolina. Yes, the team, which includes Favre, overcame them. How many points did the defense allow after the first 10? How pressed was Favre to score more than 13 points? Favre played well following his early errors, but he made two large errors which a lesser team probably would have struggled to overcome.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Starr transcends all aspects of the Packers. He has been a Packer through and through for more than 50 years as a player, assistant coach, head coach, ambassador and fan. To me, there is nor person more a Packer than Bart Starr. He did and probably still would do anything the organization asked of him. His contributions stretch from before Lombardi to the present day.

Well put Patler. I still remember his ads for wanting people to donate their cars to the troubled youth center he ran. He just exuded class at all times throughout his life.