Desmond

[Iron Mike]

Forget the article. Just have a laugh at Packers fans owning the Queens fans in the comments...

[3irty1]

Unfortunately, I think the Packers do view their ability to score points on offense as a form of run defense. Why the Packers as an organization don't like to play physical football is a mystery to me, but it is what it is.

The Packers are a soft, finesse, passing team. Everything else is a function of that, including defense.

I doubt you could eat a candy bar in the amount of time Capers spends on prepping to stop an opponents running game. 2nd and 6 he's already in a 2-4 regardless of the score... give us a bit of a lead?? middle of the 3rd quarter on?? we don't need no stinkin' linemen!!!

The way it used to work made sense to me. In 2010 how often did we see:

1st and 10: Capers comes out in the 2-4 with Raji and Pickett clogging up the middle. Basically dares the opposing team to try and run which they do for 6 yards.
2nd and 4: Capers brings in the 3-4 Adding Wilson or Green. Offense tries to run again and gets stuffed. 1 yard gain.
3rd and 3: Packers bring out the 2-4 again but the pass rushing version with Cullen Jenkins and Raji in the middle. Incomplete.
4th and 3: Punt

I swear that shit used to happen. He used to dare opposing teams into calling plays like Mike Sherman (run, run, pass, punt) because we knew we could stop the run with the best of them.

[RashanGary]

3hirty1,

In 2010, we played 8 in the box defense, man coverage outside with Collins covering the whole back end. The extra box defender made stopping the run easy.

[Packers4Glory]

Love Desmond. He's one of the few nasty intimidating guys we have on defense. Easily the best inside LB we have...and it's not even close.

[pbmax]

"According to Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network and NFL.com (via his colleague, Ian Rapoport), the Packers are willing to trade inside linebacker Desmond Bishop."

Clefty will pay attention to see how correct Messrs Jeremiah and Rapoport are in their reporting. They may be worthy of the Urinalscented crack squad. Just to make a basic common sense observation: every team is willing to trade any player, so long as the price is right.

I can see Ted wanting to move in the draft, I just don't get Bishop as bait. He was injured for Pete's sake.

[pbmax]

Not a big fan of Bishop. Always thought he was a bit over hyped and over rated. Just my personal opinion.

Agreed on over-hype. He is not the answer to all problems but he can help. Great at playing downhill and pursuit. Good tackler. Probably a notch above Hawk in coverage though not as good as Jones was last year.

Not a run stuffer. If the toughness crowd wants toughness to mean playing with an edge, then he is your guy. If toughness means being able to hold your ground and control your gap, he is not a step up from Hawk.

He is probably a help versus the read option though. Jones was slow to react on play action and that QB/RB give. Bishop would not have been slow. If he is kept clean like Jones was several times, he might make the tackle inside. He would be secondary pursuit on Klein's jaunts to the edge though.

[3irty1]

Last year the whole defense had 2 FF. Bishop averages that on his own. Call him overhyped but the fact is the guy gets results.

[RashanGary]

Last year the whole defense had 2 FF. Bishop averages that on his own. Call him overhyped but the fact is the guy gets results.

Impact player. PB brings up valid points in the areas where he's not great. Just like Jones and Hawk, he has limitations to his game. Completely unlike Jones or Hawk, Bishop has areas of his game where he is dominant (hitting.)

Tom Brady isn't good at everything (serious mobility deficits.) If you want to sit and talk about what a player isn't great at, you can do that all day long with every player. The bottom line with Bishop is he makes big plays (period.)

[pbmax]

Impact player. PB brings up valid points in the areas where he's not great. Just like Jones and Hawk, he has limitations to his game. Completely unlike Jones or Hawk, Bishop has areas of his game where he is dominant (hitting.)

Tom Brady isn't good at everything (serious mobility deficits.) If you want to sit and talk about what a player isn't great at, you can do that all day long with every player. The bottom line with Bishop is he makes big plays (period.)

And that is precisely the weird issue with the front seven. There is talent and ability up and down. But none of the pieces seem to fit cleanly. If Jones plays dime LB, one issue could be solved.

And it is possible that improved D line play makes Hawk and Bishop more effective in run D. But that's another set of questions itself.

[bobblehead]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...208094211.html

If you want to call the packers D soft, this sums it up. Desmond isn't the biggest guy, he might "hurt" the weight average stat that some like to cite. But he has a chip on his shoulder. Guys need to play football with a chip. High motor, refuse to quit guys are infectious. That is why I like guys like Lang and Sitton. Grinders. Guys that get beat, get up and try harder.

I have hopes that guys like Jones, Bishop, McMillan might change the attitude of this D. They don't need to be bigger, they need to have a chip on their shoulder.

[bobblehead]

Agreed on over-hype. He is not the answer to all problems but he can help. Great at playing downhill and pursuit. Good tackler. Probably a notch above Hawk in coverage though not as good as Jones was last year.

Not a run stuffer. If the toughness crowd wants toughness to mean playing with an edge, then he is your guy. If toughness means being able to hold your ground and control your gap, he is not a step up from Hawk.

He is probably a help versus the read option though. Jones was slow to react on play action and that QB/RB give. Bishop would not have been slow. If he is kept clean like Jones was several times, he might make the tackle inside. He would be secondary pursuit on Klein's jaunts to the edge though.

This is where I think guys obsess over the 40 time. I don't care if Bishop is "slow", he diagnoses plays so fast that his speed isn't that relevant. A guy running a 4.4 would be late in many cases.

[3irty1]

If you want to call the packers D soft, this sums it up. Desmond isn't the biggest guy, he might "hurt" the weight average stat that some like to cite. But he has a chip on his shoulder. Guys need to play football with a chip. High motor, refuse to quit guys are infectious. That is why I like guys like Lang and Sitton. Grinders. Guys that get beat, get up and try harder.

I have hopes that guys like Jones, Bishop, McMillan might change the attitude of this D. They don't need to be bigger, they need to have a chip on their shoulder.

Hell yeah, infectious is right! How much effort would you give as a defensive lineman with Desmond Bishop breathing down your neck vs. Hawk or Jones?

[run pMc]

Prior to his injury, Bishop was the best ILB they had on the roster. If his hamstring is healed (as he claims), I think that's still the case.
The DPOY talk is just that IMO, but it's a nice goal. I like his attitude and ambition, but ILB is a tough spot to win DPOY from.

Would you trade Bishop for a R2 or R3 pick? You get younger, probably healthier, and cheaper.

This year's R2 LB's were: Manti Te'o, Kevin Minter, Kiko Alonso, Arthur Brown, Jamie Collins
Last year's R2 LB's were: Courtney Upshaw, Mychal Kendricks, Bobby Wagner, Lavonte David, Vinny Curry, Zach Brown.

My guess is that, a lot of personnel put out discreet feelers to determine what they could get for a player, this one got leaked. With contracts to Hawk and Jones, I think TT wanted to see what he could get and didn't like the lowball offers. I bet he'd take a R2 for Bishop if he could get it.

[Brandon494]

I don't understand the talk about over-hype on Bishop. Never once heard anyone say they thought he was one of the best MLB in the game or that he'll solve our run defense. All I know is that he is one of the hardest hitting players on the team and is a impact player when healthy. In his two seasons as a starter the guy has accounted for 8 sacks, 4 FFs, and has lead the team in tackles.

Oh yea and lets not forget if not for Bishop we might not even have made it to the Super Bowl.

With 1:37 left, Eagles quarterback Michael Vick found Desean Jackson on a simple crossing pattern and after making safety Charlie Peprah miss, Jackson had nothing but green grass around him.

As Jackson was breaking into the clear, however, Packers linebacker Desmond Bishop reached out and got just enough to bring Jackson down at the Packers 38-yard line.

[Cleft Crusty]

Last year the whole defense had 2 FF. Bishop averages that on his own. Call him overhyped but the fact is the guy gets results.

2 FF?