For the Packer Denialists

[rbaloha1]

Nope, dead on. The section on assignment football versus the option was a point that got lost in the rush to declare the Packers Defense a vast wasteland of Pansies.

But rb does have a point when he paraphrased the DC who worked with UW's Aranda. The college game does offer more packages that are designed to stifle the defense's ability to predict and matchup to an offense based on personnel, down and distance and tendency.

The 49ers take advantage of this by using their personnel in creative ways and usually having an option to run or pass at a defense at any time. The 49ers were remarked since Harbaugh's arrival for their ability to run and pass equally from multiple formations. Delanie Walker was a big part of that. A FB that could block and go wide to run a wheel route.

The Packers do this in smaller doses, they have run-pass options and they run a stick-draw.

But the 49ers Read Option was successful not because of a threat to pass off that option action, it was effective because the Packers simply failed to counter a standard play out of it.

Which is the lone remaining weird thing about the Packer performance in that game. When Capers called off the dogs in the 2nd half to stop CK from scrambling, it SHOULD have made them more secure versus the Read Option. But it didn't. It didn't help at all or made it worse.

Number One it starts with CK's unique skill set. Alex Smith ran similar stuff at Utah with Urban Meyer but probably could not do it in the NFL. Sports Science showed CK's release to be the quickest release in the history of the NFL.

Number 2 the offensive line is so good that any offense works. The offense was good with Smith but CK takes it to another level. A better d-line can contain this type offense as evidenced by Auburn and LSU beating Oregon.

[pbmax]

This is valid except in the read option qbs are not protected once they decide to run.

Once they decide to run it is an easy call. But if teams run the read option and then pass, it could get interesting for the refs.

[rbaloha1]

Once they decide to run it is an easy call. But if teams run the read option and then pass, it could get interesting for the refs.

If they run option first then dropback within the pocket qbs are still protected. Agree that it could present future issues.

[George Cumby]

" ....that quarterback is going to be taken out on a stretcher."

Read option = Raphus cucullatus = Fad.

[rbaloha1]

" ....that quarterback is going to be taken out on a stretcher."

Read option = Raphus cucullatus = Fad.

What is your contention for this statement?

[George Cumby]

The quote is from one of the college coaches who was brain-dumping to the Packers D coaches.

The genus specific name is that of the Dodo bird.

I believe that only a small percentage of QB's actually have the requisite skill set to be a viable double threat, run-pass, in the pros. Those few will be exposed to more contact, more often and more violently than their pocket brethren. It's a matter of exposure time/opportunity; more hits, more violence, more trauma = more injuries. QB's are not a disposable commodity, teams which treat their star players as such will pay the price in the long-term. I for one, believe that RGIII's career will most likely be shortened due to his youthful enthusiasm and his coach's myopia. I'm not going out on a limb when I predict that neither Wilson or Kaepernick plays all 16 games; they will miss time and probably significant time.

Bottom line is getting your QB's wrecked is bad coaching and, probably more importantly, bad business.

[wist43]

In the opener, I don't think it will matter that Capers has watched a clip or two on how to defend the read/option... the Niners will run what they run, and they'll run it down our throats just like they did twice last year.

I expect they'll run different plays out of that formation, Capers will get his ass waxed again, and have no idea how to adjust. I'm expecting 40+ points, and 500+ yards again. It will be doubly embarrassing this time around, as everyone will say - "... didn't they learn anything from the last ass whoopin they took??", lol...

In fantasy?? Start every Niner you can... including the center.

[Upnorth]

Should we not drive cars because something bad can happen?

Your contention about the front seven is pure speculation. Based on the most recent events you are completely wrong.

No one is saying not to drive, but there are incentives to drive safe. Read option has a higher risk than a pocket passer but some will take that risk.

Btw the large text tantrums really weakened your points.

[George Cumby]

In the opener, I don't think it will matter that Capers has watched a clip or two on how to defend the read/option... the Niners will run what they run, and they'll run it down our throats just like they did twice last year.

I expect they'll run different plays out of that formation, Capers will get his ass waxed again, and have no idea how to adjust. I'm expecting 40+ points, and 500+ yards again. It will be doubly embarrassing this time around, as everyone will say - "... didn't they learn anything from the last ass whoopin they took??", lol...

In fantasy?? Start every Niner you can... including the center.

My real concern in that game is that badass OLine of theirs. They are big, mean and tough and I don't see that we have the horses up front to hold the line.

The Pack might win in a shoot out, but at this time, it is June, after all, I think the Niners win.

[wist43]

My real concern in that game is that badass OLine of theirs. They are big, mean and tough and I don't see that we have the horses up front to hold the line.

The Pack might win in a shoot out, but at this time, it is June, after all, I think the Niners win.

Yeah, it's June... but we know what we have, and we know what they have - we might be a little better b/c we get people back, but we weren't really competetive in either one of those games last year - not that much has changed, and we still have Damien as our DC.

We've been beaten up by physical teams pretty consistently over the past few years... the KC game a couple of years ago set the tone. A terrible team that simply beat the living hell out of us physcially, and we couldn't stand up to it - still can't.

TT and MM prefer all things finesse - that hasn't changed. They're going to stomp us again... I expect I'll be heading to the golf course by halftime.

[Bossman641]

Certainly a defensive coordinator strategy to blow up the qb is viable but it takes away another defender. The 49ers also have Walker as a protector to account for this.

Capers is not a dinasour -- what was his answer to the niners? Why was he forced to consult with new age d-coordinators?

Its obvious you do not understand strategy and result to cave man retorts.

Walker? Delanie Walker? He's on the Titans.

[Bossman641]

Yeah, it's June... but we know what we have, and we know what they have - we might be a little better b/c we get people back, but we weren't really competetive in either one of those games last year - not that much has changed, and we still have Damien as our DC.

We've been beaten up by physical teams pretty consistently over the past few years... the KC game a couple of years ago set the tone. A terrible team that simply beat the living hell out of us physcially, and we couldn't stand up to it - still can't.

TT and MM prefer all things finesse - that hasn't changed. They're going to stomp us again... I expect I'll be heading to the golf course by halftime.

Are you talking offensively or defensively? Orton had a good game but they didn't exactly run it down our throat. Offensively; we were missing Jennings, Starks, and then had Bulaga and Sherrod go down with injuries. On top of that I think we were missing Clifton as well.

[3irty1]

In the opener, I don't think it will matter that Capers has watched a clip or two on how to defend the read/option... the Niners will run what they run, and they'll run it down our throats just like they did twice last year.

I expect they'll run different plays out of that formation, Capers will get his ass waxed again, and have no idea how to adjust. I'm expecting 40+ points, and 500+ yards again. It will be doubly embarrassing this time around, as everyone will say - "... didn't they learn anything from the last ass whoopin they took??", lol...

In fantasy?? Start every Niner you can... including the center.

You'll get an easy chance to double your money that week in vegas.

[pbmax]

If they run option first then dropback within the pocket qbs are still protected. Agree that it could present future issues.

Its future issues, but the rule might need to be clarified. As written it probably envisions a QB converting from a passer to a runner, but probably not a runner to a passer. The really fun question is what is he at the moment of the mesh.

[rbaloha1]

No one is saying not to drive, but there are incentives to drive safe. Read option has a higher risk than a pocket passer but some will take that risk.

Btw the large text tantrums really weakened your points.

That is your opinion. I have heard other ex-qbs state that read option qbs have a better chance to see defenders (avoid the hit by sliding or running out of bounds) as opposed to pocket qbs getting hit from the blind side.

Your smaller font does not strengthen your point