For the Packer Denialists

[rbaloha1]

The quote is from one of the college coaches who was brain-dumping to the Packers D coaches.

The genus specific name is that of the Dodo bird.

I believe that only a small percentage of QB's actually have the requisite skill set to be a viable double threat, run-pass, in the pros. Those few will be exposed to more contact, more often and more violently than their pocket brethren. It's a matter of exposure time/opportunity; more hits, more violence, more trauma = more injuries. QB's are not a disposable commodity, teams which treat their star players as such will pay the price in the long-term. I for one, believe that RGIII's career will most likely be shortened due to his youthful enthusiasm and his coach's myopia. I'm not going out on a limb when I predict that neither Wilson or Kaepernick plays all 16 games; they will miss time and probably significant time.

Bottom line is getting your QB's wrecked is bad coaching and, probably more importantly, bad business.

One man's opinion but other college coaches like Urban Meyer think otherwise.

[rbaloha1]

In the opener, I don't think it will matter that Capers has watched a clip or two on how to defend the read/option... the Niners will run what they run, and they'll run it down our throats just like they did twice last year.

I expect they'll run different plays out of that formation, Capers will get his ass waxed again, and have no idea how to adjust. I'm expecting 40+ points, and 500+ yards again. It will be doubly embarrassing this time around, as everyone will say - "... didn't they learn anything from the last ass whoopin they took??", lol...

In fantasy?? Start every Niner you can... including the center.

Expect the niners to run more conventional stuff early in the game and disguise read option stuff later in the game to catch the packers in a favorable scheme.

[rbaloha1]

The quote is from one of the college coaches who was brain-dumping to the Packers D coaches.

The genus specific name is that of the Dodo bird.

I believe that only a small percentage of QB's actually have the requisite skill set to be a viable double threat, run-pass, in the pros. Those few will be exposed to more contact, more often and more violently than their pocket brethren. It's a matter of exposure time/opportunity; more hits, more violence, more trauma = more injuries. QB's are not a disposable commodity, teams which treat their star players as such will pay the price in the long-term. I for one, believe that RGIII's career will most likely be shortened due to his youthful enthusiasm and his coach's myopia. I'm not going out on a limb when I predict that neither Wilson or Kaepernick plays all 16 games; they will miss time and probably significant time.

Bottom line is getting your QB's wrecked is bad coaching and, probably more importantly, bad business.

How many colleges are running this stuff?

How many new qbs are entering the league with this skill set: atkins, manuel, manzel (maybe next year)., etc.

Keep going with Neanderthal cliches.

[pbmax]

NFL QBs still need to be capable of NFL throws. The 49ers don't win if Kap or Smith isn't efficient in the passing game. Nor does Wilson, RGIII or Newton.

A lot of college QBs who can run are not accurate enough throwers. The distances are longer, the windows shorter and the time in the pocket less.

That said, there is probably an entire class of QBs who are close to traditional NFL QBs in throwing ability. And if they can run, that might now be enough.

[rbaloha1]

NFL QBs still need to be capable of NFL throws. The 49ers don't win if Kap or Smith isn't efficient in the passing game. Nor does Wilson, RGIII or Newton.

A lot of college QBs who can run are not accurate enough throwers. The distances are longer, the windows shorter and the time in the pocket less.

That said, there is probably an entire class of QBs who are close to traditional NFL QBs in throwing ability. And if they can run, that might now be enough.

You are repping what I said from day one -- qbs currently running read option all can throw from the pocket. Throwing from the pocket remains important.

However Tebow had playoff success without being able to throw. How do traditionalists/denialists/apologists explain this one?

[George Cumby]

You are repping what I said from day one -- qbs currently running read option all can throw from the pocket. Throwing from the pocket remains important.

However Tebow had playoff success without being able to throw. How do traditionalists/denialists/apologists explain this one?

Come on. Tebow? The guy couldn't beat out Mark fucking Sanchez last season.

[rbaloha1]

Come on. Tebow? The guy couldn't beat out Mark fucking Sanchez last season.

What happened with the Broncos during the playoff run? BTW TT is built to absorb nfl punishment but is smart enough to avoid hits when possible.

[rbaloha1]

Come on. Tebow? The guy couldn't beat out Mark fucking Sanchez last season.

The team is built for a pocket passer not a read option type qb.

[Teamcheez1]

The team is built for a pocket passer not a read option type qb.

Career 47.9% passer. Read option or pocket passer, he can't throw.

[rbaloha1]

Career 47.9% passer. Read option or pocket passer, he can't throw.

We know that -- why did Tebow have success?

How did he beat the Steelers in the playoffs?

[3irty1]

The crop of young QB's that just came into the league with the 2011 and 2012 draft class are the revolution here so far not the read-option. Those guys are NFL-ready passers and have exceptional football IQ for this point in their careers. On top of that they're all super mobile. But when you can pass, you should pass and the read option when used properly will aid in that as a wrinkle in a multiples offense used sparingly as San Fran and Seattle do. Often in the NFL threatening to do something is often as good as actually doing it so the health threat to QB's will be minimal IMO. Offenses that rely on it heavily as in Carolina and Washington are doing it wrong IMO as they have guys that don't need the read-option to be successful and would benefit from using less of it.

A system that depends on a 1st or 2nd overall talent can't be a revolution. The read option could become a revolution IMO but to qualify it as that a team would have to run it with dime-a-dozen dual-threat guys like Pat White or Seneca Wallace and show they can consistently compete with the Eli Manning-caliber guys by making up for the disparity in passing ability by leveraging their guys' wheels. That could happen IMO if an offense would commit to it. So far the best example is Tebow in 2011 but that was for half a season and an inconsistent, full-on underdog strategy that ultimately culminated in being super-trounced by the Pats in the 2nd round. If I was a QB-less team in the NFL I might give it a shot.

[rbaloha1]

The crop of young QB's that just came into the league with the 2011 and 2012 draft class are the revolution here so far not the read-option. Those guys are NFL-ready passers and have exceptional football IQ for this point in their careers. On top of that they're all super mobile. But when you can pass, you should pass and the read option when used properly will aid in that as a wrinkle in a multiples offense used sparingly as San Fran and Seattle do. Often in the NFL threatening to do something is often as good as actually doing it so the health threat to QB's will be minimal IMO. Offenses that rely on it heavily as in Carolina and Washington are doing it wrong IMO as they have guys that don't need the read-option to be successful and would benefit from using less of it.

A system that depends on a 1st or 2nd overall talent can't be a revolution. The read option could become a revolution IMO but to qualify it as that a team would have to run it with dime-a-dozen dual-threat guys like Pat White or Seneca Wallace and show they can consistently compete with the Eli Manning-caliber guys by making up for the disparity in passing ability by leveraging their guys' wheels. That could happen IMO if an offense would commit to it. So far the best example is Tebow in 2011 but that was for half a season and an inconsistent, full-on underdog strategy that ultimately culminated in being super-trounced by the Pats in the 2nd round. If I was a QB-less team in the NFL I might give it a shot.

Good hedge braddah.

[Upnorth]

We know that -- why did Tebow have success?

How did he beat the Steelers in the playoffs?

I wonder how much statements like this motivate the bronco's team. If there is one thing I dislike about Tebow coverage is that many spin it as strictly a Tebow thing, not a team thing.
If we are saying Tebow beat them , then it is because the steelers defense stopped being disciplined, got aggresive and bit on the wrong plays. If they had stayed disciplined the game would have come out differently.
Discipline does not bring glory to the defence, but does win games. Lack of discipline creates oppertunity for the offence to exploit, as shown in the Packers 49ers playoff game, and the broncos steelers game we are talking of now.

[rbaloha1]

I wonder how much statements like this motivate the bronco's team. If there is one thing I dislike about Tebow coverage is that many spin it as strictly a Tebow thing, not a team thing.
If we are saying Tebow beat them , then it is because the steelers defense stopped being disciplined, got aggresive and bit on the wrong plays. If they had stayed disciplined the game would have come out differently.
Discipline does not bring glory to the defence, but does win games. Lack of discipline creates oppertunity for the offence to exploit, as shown in the Packers 49ers playoff game, and the broncos steelers game we are talking of now.

Demonstrates the beauty/difficulty of defensing read option against a competent read option qb.

[ThunderDan]

Hopefully we will be able to bump this post week 1 of the 2013 season just like we did with the MM threads after the Super Bowl victory.