Rodgers and sack time.

[Upnorth]

Grant was consistent, gain positive yardage and not give up the ball (with one playoff game as a big exception).
He is the most talented rb of the Rodgers era, but he was also running behind the best line. I really wonder what a 'stud' rb would do behind our line.

[woodbuck27]

Wood, I think Green, Bennett and Levens were better than Grant.

Ohh ... that's interesting. What're you basing that on Pugger ? Going to the record book. Ryan Grant is one of a handful of the best RB's in Green Bay Packer history.

Only... Ahman Green of your three mentioned has better numbers than Ryan Grant's stat's.

Ahman Green is the leading rusher ALL TIME as a Green Bay Packer. Only his and Jim Taylor's, John Brockington's and Tony Canadeo's rushing numbers exceed Ryan Grant's.

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/green-bay-packers/alltime-rushing

Check out Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett's numbers Vs Ryan Grant's. Then I believe you'll understand my position here Pugger.

Have a nice day.

GO PACKERS!

[Upnorth]

Ohh ... that's interesting. What're you basing that on Pugger ? Going to the record book. Ryan Grant is one of a handful of the best RB's in Green Bay Packer history.

Only... Ahman Green of your three mentioned has better numbers than Ryan Grants.

Ahman Green is the leading rusher ALL TIME as a Green Bay Packer. Only his and Jim Taylor's, John Brockington's and Tony Canadeo's rushing numbers exceed Ryan Grants.

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/green-bay-packers/alltime-rushing

Check out Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett's numbers out Vs Ryan Grant's.

GO PACKERS!

I argued till the cows came home that Ryan Grant was better than Lynch back when that was a topic, and Grant was good till he was injured. For our offense he was the exact thing we needed, consistent positive yardage and low turnovers. I hope one of our two drafts can play a similar style.

[Fritz]

May Eddie Lacey be the next Ahman Green.

[bobblehead]

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2013...-pt-1.html?m=1

Very interesting article with a fairly obvious conclusion, that a major contributor to sacks is time (I'm oversimplying). Does anyone one know arod's average hold time on throwing plays?

He holds the ball too long. I can see it, don't need metrics. Always has been his weakness (now his only one really), always will be. He needs to hit his checkdown receiver more often. Maybe when he goes to the Vikings he will suddenly start hitting chester taylor on those plays instead of throwing it up for....er holding it too long.

[bobblehead]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ssure-qb-play/

Examining Pressure: QB Play

Steve Palazzolo | May 29, 2013

When Facing Any Pressure

Now who are the best quarterbacks when pressured?

(Aaron) Rodgers is the best in the league when under heat and it’s not all that close. It’s certainly impressive to see a number of rookies on this list despite having the small sample of only one season under their belt. Notice the quick drop-offs into negative PFF grades – pressure has a major effect on the quarterback."

PACKERS !

His sacks are from holding the ball. He is the absolute most deadly assassin against the blitz I have ever seen at any level anywhere doing anything.

[RashanGary]

if true, this makes the Packers inability to run the ball even more pathetic. The reality is that most defenses are content to give a collection of running plays if they can stop the huge passing plays. That's essentially how defenses treated the Packer offense last year - who cares if you get 100 yards on the ground if you can't get quick, long passing TDs? Even run heavy teams have to have a defense and some passing capability to be successful. In today's NFL, running is mostly easier because teams are far less focused on defending it.

I'm very curious to see a healthy Green, Eddie Lacy and Jonathan Franklin. Between the three, one could easily be a player. Our OL hasn't changed at all, personnel-wise. Position changes, yeah, but that's more of a pass protection thing, I think. I've heard Larry McCarren say the RB makes the line, not the other way around. Just like our running game dropped off badly after we lost Ryan Grant, it could pick up greatly with the addition of someone new. I'll start buying in, big, to Larry's opinion that the running back makes the running game go if we do suddenly take off. I'm crossing my fingers.

[bobblehead]

Honestly, I don't think he does that very often. I think he plays good situation football. Just going off memory, I think AR plays smart when we're in field goal range, smart in the redzone, smart between the 20's, smart with time, smart in just about every way a player can be smart.

Yep, redzone numbers are SICK!!! A few years ago he had something like 26 scores of 28 redzone trips with ZERO turnovers.

[bobblehead]

Comment woodbuck27:

Yet ... is this not a full circle subject? Where does the running game really stand with the passing game?

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/the-50-club-best-rushing-teams-nfl-history/22686/

The 5.0 Club: Best Rushing Teams in NFL History

Cold, Hard Football Facts for May 09, 2013

" Of the 42 teams that averaged 5.0 YPA or more, only four won championships, and two of those were in the AFL. Many of the greatest rushing teams in history were downright bad. Note, for example, the 2011 Panthers or 2011 Vikings.

The NFL was, is and always will be a league dominated by teams that rule the skies, not the ground." Fr. LINK above

GO PACK GO !

Stats wag the dog quite often.

[Pugger]

Ohh ... that's interesting. What're you basing that on Pugger ? Going to the record book. Ryan Grant is one of a handful of the best RB's in Green Bay Packer history.

Only... Ahman Green of your three mentioned has better numbers than Ryan Grant's stat's.

Ahman Green is the leading rusher ALL TIME as a Green Bay Packer. Only his and Jim Taylor's, John Brockington's and Tony Canadeo's rushing numbers exceed Ryan Grant's.

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/green-bay-packers/alltime-rushing

Check out Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett's numbers Vs Ryan Grant's. Then I believe you'll understand my position here Pugger.

Have a nice day.

GO PACKERS!

I see Dorsey's numbers are just a tad behind Grant's but not substantially. Bennett's aren't that far behind either. I don't know if those numbers are that much different between Grant, Bennett and Levens. Unfortunately for Grant he got hurt and was never the same.

[run pMc]

Tough on the OL to hold the ball longer for >= 3 seconds. Especially GB's OL last year with Bulaga IR'd (and that's ignoring the turnstile game vs. Bruce Irvin), Lang with a gimpy elbow, and a washed up Saturday.

Rodgers is very good against the blitz and would rather take a sack than an interception -- maybe he's OCD about passer rating, but he absolutely hates INTs. He's holding it longer to try and make a play. I don't mind that occasionally, but I'd rather see him dump it off to a back on 3rd down than take a sack -- he doesn't get hit, and he at least gives the RB a chance to make play for the 1st down marker. The problem has been the backs haven't been very good at that -- Franklin might change that, and maybe a healthy Green. Starks was supposed to have great hands coming out of college but it seems like I've seen him drop a lot of passes.

[run pMc]

Green and Levens were better than Grant.
Bennett was just a bit better than Grant IMO. Bennett was a tough, dependable, and a good receiver, but he wasn't going to run away from anyone. Grant had better speed, but I'd rather have Bennett to get me three 4th quarter yards in snowy/muddy conditions.

Grant was better than Morency and some of the other guys in between/after those guys. Grant had a short but pretty decent career with GB. Had something like 1200 yards back to back seasons, which is way better than anything we've had in the last two seasons.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9475/ryan-grant

[pbmax]

Stats wag the dog quite often.

Stats don't wag the dog by the tail. People do.

[MadScientist]

I see Dorsey's numbers are just a tad behind Grant's but not substantially. Bennett's aren't that far behind either. I don't know if those numbers are that much different between Grant, Bennett and Levens. Unfortunately for Grant he got hurt and was never the same.

Dorsey was close, and possibly a bit better than Grant before he got hurt in 98. After that he wasn't nearly as good. Levens was used as a receiver much more, but how much of that was player and how much was scheme is hard to tell. Bennett was a plugger who never fumbled, but his YPC was in line with Barty Smith, Terdell Middleton and Darrell Thompson. Not exactly a guy that opposing defenses feared.

Back to Rodgers and holding the ball long. His numbers against the blitz show that he can be quick and decisive. Against coverage he holds the ball waiting for a receiver to come open past the point where the OL can't stop the rush. The OL needs to be better at stonewalling the defense when there is no blitz, the receivers need to be better at getting open against the coverage, and Rodgers needs to give up on the down field option a bit quicker.

[ThunderDan]

Personally I like having a QB that would rather eat the ball and take a sack then chuck it up to a 50/50 situation. You loose so much field position on every turnover.

I wouldn't mind seeing more dump offs and balls out of bounds too.