Would our receiving core be THAT desperate?

[woodbuck27]

Then its a very simple question we should debate. I responded to this statement:



Yours was post 6 and that means there were five before it. What statement did you object to? What statement was turned against Driver?

pbmax;

Please... Read the post I responded to and (the question raised of Donald Drivers options/no options) in that post.

I felt such a question (I may have misinterpreted) yet all the same. Raised a question of DD's sincerety in expressing his exclusive loyalty to the 'only' team he has played for in the NFL:

The Green Bay Packers.

This issue regarding my stance on loyalty as Packer fans has certainly come up in the past here. I was offended as a Donald Driver fan. I was offended when Donald Driver's 'integrity' and honest expression of loyalty was undermined by the 'he had no options' remark.

GO PACK GO!

[RashanGary]

Sometimes you write these clear, almost-terse statements that make a lot of sense. Sometimes I don't agree at all with your opinions. But most of the time, I'm not sure what your opinion actually is. I don't try to read your posts so much as try to navigate them, Wood.

Woodbuck, this is a great opportunity for you to do exactly what you hope Mike McCarthy can do. You can grow, as a man. Before you go to write a post, think to yourself what you really disagree with. Think about what bothers you, what you think, what you're trying to express. Then say it, in fewer words. A lot of words, especially ones that go in circles and divert into accusations and shaming statements, tend to be great ways to passive-aggressively let out some steam without actually having to suffer any back-lash for it. The style you used in your anger rant was direct and honest. It was surprisingly readable for a woodbuck post.

I like you. I think a lot of people here do, even if they're letting you have it a little right now. I'll tell you what, there are a lot worse things to be than someone who has to be given a good lecture from time to time. You're a cool guy. Take off the mask, man. Let it out, then you'll be able to let it go, cuz Packer fans are no different than any fan, and there's no reason to hate them.

[RashanGary]

And woody, I know you were quite the competitor in you sporting days. I'm sure you still have a sport or two you play now. Maybe it would hurt you really badly to hear someone not giving two shits about losing you when you retired from the sports you loved. I mean, honestly, you have every right to be angry (for Donald Driver, for yourself maybe, I don't know.)

Just taking a look at your rant, and I'm totally cool with it. It was a good, angry rant. I, of all people, can appreciate that. But I think you could really shorten it up. Maybe this

Hey (name of person you are directly calling out)

I'm so fucking angry that you just dismiss this great athlete like that. Could you imagine how it would feel to read a post like that. If someone said something like that about me, I'd be really hurt and hurt makes me angry. Arghhhhhh...... Fuck You


Sincerely,

Woodbuck



It's real stripped down, focuses on the anger, isn't distracted by name calling or shaming. It sounds like a real, honest statement by somebody who's either hurt or feeling for someone else who's hurt.

[woodbuck27]

You know what, Woodbuck, I'm glad for you that you went off a little. I've long had a feeling that people not being loyal bothered the living piss out of you, but you never really said it. You were more passive-aggressive by my view.

The nice thing about aggressiveness, it's more direct. It gives people a chance to challenge you and now it gives you a chance to ignore that type of thing because it's NEVER going to change.

I know you're 68 years old and the greatest man in Canada, but I figure even Canada's greatest man might appreciate a little helpful criticism. I think you want to be accepted here, and you are. If you want to be even more accepted, I think it might be a good idea to not add, "go packers" or "Packers" to posts that have nothing to do with the Packers. You've come out here, pretty much showing your true colors, that the disloyalty disgusts you. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear to me that you use that "go packers" thing as a way to sort of parade your wonderfulness around in the faces of the disgusting, non-true Packer fans. It's not exactly the olive branch of togetherness your mind would have you convinced of.

I'm far from the greatest 'anything' Justin Harrell. I'm simply all that life has benefited me with. I'm satisfied with who I am and working on the rest all the time. I always aim to be a stronger man.

When it comes to loyalty. Frankly I may be the last of a dieing breed.

You want me to stop the :

GO PACK GO ! or GO PACKERS ! or Packers ! That's 'only' an interesting request of yours Justin Harrell.

I'll not end posts without acknowledging the main reason I came to Packerrasts. I'm a Green Bay Packer fan. I respect that fact as I end my posts Justin Harrell. It goes along with respect and decency in terms of manners. I don't enter your home with my Packer hat on and when I leave... I wear it proudly.

Do I care who accepts me here at Packerrats? I cannot control prejudice and discrimination. I've 'no control' over any nationalistic or cultural disparity. I simply try to make make a solid contribution to Packerrats. I've never posted in any manner that could be even in any way confused with begging for acceptance. Such need 'only' makes one weak.

I address disagreements with anyone ( I respect ) with a certain style. One that doesn't include the sickness of some members here. I simply choose to not embrace such posters. To do so is foolish. I survive such posters. I do so by allowing those posters to put themselves on public display. Make fools of themselves. I also realize that some cannot get out of their own way. I appreciate the sadness in that fact.

GO PACK GO !

[Scott Campbell]

I cannot control prejudice and discrimination. I've 'no control' over any nationalistic or cultural disparity.

[Guiness]

Wow, now I am the whipping boy for the dog that can jump out of the building.

Just so you know I could put a basketball down two handed in college when I weighed 190 lbs.

Ya? Well I could bench...oh, never mind

Who was it that offered the services of a slow, white TE with good hands to the Pack during the lockout?

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, this is a great opportunity for you to do exactly what you hope Mike McCarthy can do. You can grow, as a man. Before you go to write a post, think to yourself what you really disagree with. Think about what bothers you, what you think, what you're trying to express. Then say it, in fewer words. A lot of words, especially ones that go in circles and divert into accusations and shaming statements, tend to be great ways to passive-aggressively let out some steam without actually having to suffer any back-lash for it. The style you used in your anger rant was direct and honest. It was surprisingly readable for a woodbuck post.

I like you. I think a lot of people here do, even if they're letting you have it a little right now. I'll tell you what, there are a lot worse things to be than someone who has to be given a good lecture from time to time. You're a cool guy. Take off the mask, man. Let it out, then you'll be able to let it go, cuz Packer fans are no different than any fan, and there's no reason to hate them.

Like me...you don't know me JH. You really don't know me Justin Harrell.

I never never wear a mask. Anyone who really knows me would clearly inform you of that truth. If you met me you'd not have a real issue with me as long as your cool. I don't deal well with stupid behaviour. I'm as straight up/straight in as any man might meet. I tell it the way it is without being over bearing. I seldom get angry and hate argument. As far woodbuck27 and hating. I hate 'rats' and some insects and that's about it. I don't hate people. People simply at times piss me off.

I don't choose to come out and attack a poster here 'by name' as that's IMO, back handed. If I disagree with a poster I simply re-post that poster. I express my offense and won't argue or surrender a position on that, unless I realize my error. I try not to be stubborn 'too right'. I aim for right. I want everyone to win and that's part of my innocence not lost.

Why single out a certain poster?

I prefer to observe that poster go all off on himself after I've tried to somehow intervene. Otherwise it has to be too obvious who my detractors are here at Packerrats. Why do I intervene. Because I've always believed in team play. Sadly things somehow get really 'to the personal' here. This can be a very rough environment and I've never been weak to such.

In terms of me and these poster 'you feel' I should name JH.

No need to name them. Their way too obvious. Their the silly minded posters that never learned to not piss into the wind. Those posters who will usually piss into the wind because they live for trouble. We have such a poster 'come to visit' on this thread right now. He's like a shit magnet. If he cannot get himself involved up to his neck in some shit... he's not engaging life on his low grade terms. Why center comment on any poster here that worthless too himself? A poster without the brains to blow powder to hell. A poster that contributes 'only' his stink.

To engage such a poster merely feeds his silly game and such would bear shame on yourself.

I just shake my head and ... Everyone deserves to appreciate a clown once in awhile. I can entertain some detached amusement.

GO PACK GO !

[ThunderDan]

Ya? Well I could bench...oh, never mind

Who was it that offered the services of a slow, white TE with good hands to the Pack during the lockout?

Who said I'm that slow!!!! And I thought it was at LB in 2010 when we had our 5th string OLB starting.

[RashanGary]

Do I care who accepts me here at Packerrats? I cannot control prejudice and discrimination. I've 'no control' over any nationalistic or cultural disparity. I simply try to make make a solid contribution to Packerrats. I've never posted in any manner that could be even in any way confused with begging for acceptance. Such need 'only' makes one weak.

Do you care? Only you can answer that. I have a strong hunch you do. You're a people and I believe with my heart and soul that all people want acceptance. Do you want Mae to love you? You can't control that, but I'll bet you like it and want it.

Acceptance, love, control, weakness, vulnerability, wisdom. . . . Abstract things are hard to understand. Is vulnerability a negative weakness in a person? Is wanting acceptance or love something someone should give up on as they have no control over whether or not they will get it? Wisdom is knowing one's self, knowing the answer to the toughest questions and living it. Your angry rant is evidence that you're not as happy as you could be if you let it go. My advice is to not give up on fitting in though. That would be the cowards way out and I know you're a competitor. You're a stubborn old Canadian moose. It can work for you or against you.

My therapists laugh at my competitive spirit. It's funny and not funny at the same time. It helps and hurts. I helps me because I keep driving ahead when most crumble. I pose to you the same challenge I pose to myself. Prove the doubters wrong. If people think you're a stubborn old Canadian moose and won't grow, prove them wrong.

Most people after getting their angry tirade shot down would resort to passive-aggressive attacks in the future. They might use long, drawn out posts. People might read those posts and end up scratching their head thinking, "boy, I didn't like something about that post." but not really knowing exactly what that something is. Prove you don't have to resort to that. Prove you can say what you mean and mean what you say. Put "go pack go" posts at the end of posts that personify "go pack go." Call people, "fellow Packer fans" after posts that relate to fellow Packer fans. Express anger when you're angry. All that kind of thing. . . . Be real, woodbuck. Be yourself. I'll bet american dollars to canadian you're not a raging sociopath who has no human need to fit in. I'll bet you're a regular, vulnerable person who's nature is to lean on other people and fit in.

You're really not some outsider who's fighting the lonely fight alone. You're woodbuck, the canadian moose, a part of the herd, a part of packerrats. Live it, love it. . . It's you! You stubborn old moose

You're not a total phony. If you were, you'd have been shunned out of here like rbaloha. You're just part phony (passive-aggressive, hidden, stealthy) I think people can deal with that, as you bring enough of your true self to the table to attach to. I'm glad you were outwardly angry. I think it shows what you've been all along (a person who's angry at Packer fans for not being loyal.) And I don't hate you for it. In fact, I like you, cuz if you were't a vulnerable little baby moose inside, you wouldn't be throwing an anger fit Who doesn't love baby mooses? I'll bet Mae does

[mraynrand]

whippet good!

[Scott Campbell]

[Cheesehead Craig]

Driver's not coming back, nothing to see here.

[Upnorth]

Driver's not coming back, nothing to see here.

So Woody's squaring off with JH and Guiness is taking on Thunder Dan. Fuck it time to start a Canadian bench clearing brawl.
You and your god damn ruler of the meadow, I gave that to you and now insist we go at it again you rat fink mofo. Driver demands respect and your so slow my grandma could out run you. (Am I doing this right???)

[pbmax]

pbmax;

Please... Read the post I responded to and (the question raised of Donald Drivers options/no options) in that post.

I felt such a question (I may have misinterpreted) yet all the same. Raised a question of DD's sincerety in expressing his exclusive loyalty to the 'only' team he has played for in the NFL:

And this is precisely my point. The article contains quotes from Driver about his availability to the Packers and no one else. But we have no information about what other factors are involved.

Does Driver has personal services contract with the team?
Monetary interests in the state (ads, personal appearances, etc.)?
Did he receive any substantial offers to play for other teams?
Did he receive ANY offers to sign any kind of deal with another team for a training camp tryout?
Did he or his agent seek either of the above?

You see loyalty in the statements, which is your opinion and your right. Others, such as myself see very carefully crafted statements meant to maximize future income as a former Packers. We don't know either for certain and that is why I find questioning other poster's motives to be ridiculous.

[Cheesehead Craig]

So Woody's squaring off with JH and Guiness is taking on Thunder Dan. Fuck it time to start a Canadian bench clearing brawl.
You and your god damn ruler of the meadow, I gave that to you and now insist we go at it again you rat fink mofo. Driver demands respect and your so slow my grandma could out run you. (Am I doing this right???)

Close your damn vagina before you hurt yourself Upnorth. The meadow is a place where Rats go to settle an argument and whoever concedes first is the loser. It's not an insult contest you nimrod. I think I need to go call you out on Mad's thread and score some rep points.