Would our receiving core be THAT desperate?

[ThunderDan]

Guiness is taking on Thunder Dan.

I was trying to be tongue-in-cheek with Guiness. Especially after seeing that dog jump 48". Guess I missed.

[woodbuck27]

And this is precisely my point. The article contains quotes from Driver about his availability to the Packers and no one else. But we have no information about what other factors are involved.

Does Driver has personal services contract with the team?
Monetary interests in the state (ads, personal appearances, etc.)?
Did he receive any substantial offers to play for other teams?
Did he receive ANY offers to sign any kind of deal with another team for a training camp tryout?
Did he or his agent seek either of the above?

You see loyalty in the statements, which is your opinion and your right. Others, such as myself see very carefully crafted statements meant to maximize future income as a former Packers. We don't know either for certain and that is why I find questioning other poster's motives to be ridiculous.

a) "You see loyalty in the statements, which is your opinion and your right" pbmax

No I chose to believe Donald Drivers statement RE: his loyalty to the 'only' team he's played for as 'the TRUTH', Simply that pbmax and yes it's my right of intelligence and good manners to simply interpret Donald Driver thus. I happen to believe that DD is an outstanding man. His statements in this article simply back that up.

So what do you have pbmax to say otherwise 'specifically' about Donald Driver that would cast a shadow of doubt on his honesty/integrity? This thread's article is solely about Donald Driver and not any other former Green Bay Packer. Please confine this debate too Donald Driver...Thanks.

pbmax:

Let's see your list 'your proof' that Donald Driver shouldn't be trusted as an honest man?

b) " We don't know either for certain and that is why I find questioning other poster's motives to be ridiculous. " pbmax

No Pbmax that isn't it at all. For you too go so far as to deem my position as 'ridiculous'. Dangerously places you into a position of being grossly prejudicial Your certainly close to 'double speak'. This is a forum. A place where debate will break out as we rub one another's feathers the wrong way. I usually debate in terms of manners and on grounds of ethics and common decency. Plenty of time I'm questioned and even ridiculed. I've the same right to counter. To respond honestly and do so with style.

I contend with you pbmax that weighed against all other's here my responses are NOT ridiculous. We see other members here that certainly court 'the ridiculous response'. When I contend with any other posters post and I feeling that an offense has occurred. I respond seriously pbmax and by far and generally NOT ridiculously.

I made clear statements in this thread. The end result of observing over the top too much negativity and outright derision of former and even arguably great Green Bay Packers. I've observed 'over the top', bush league posts here that literally made me cringe with disgust. I must post with a certain modicum of real control in terms of style and proper language.

I stand by my position that alarmingly too many members of Packerrats are 'in fact' falling far from the tree of loyalty in regards to what Packer players once gave for us Packer fans.

Anyone that even imagines my posts here as a shocking rant are IMO sensitive on the other side of their two faced ways. I've had to maintain my composure way too often. I've been over the top way too Canadian. A part of that out of respect for the Canadian way and manners. I'm all too conscious and remind myself, that there I sometimes fail. I make no excuse for my positions.

PACKERS !

[Fritz]

Ah, we Americans. So crude, so uncouth.

It's why you love us and hate us.

'Scuse me, gotta go take a dump.

[pbmax]

Let's see your list 'your proof' that Donald Driver shouldn't be trusted as an honest man?

Subjecting Driver's statements to a modicum of skepticism does not require me to believe he is dishonest, nor does it require me to have proof of previous dishonesty. I think he is merely acting in his best interest.

Was Donald Driver being honest when he was asking for pay raises from the Packers and not commenting publicly about it? That does not seem dishonest to me, but it is selective. And I believe Driver is being selective in what he tells the public about his first year retirement plans. He is planning to have an income and is working toward that end.

So I pass it back to you that we know Driver is selective in what he shares publicly, which is fair ground for a modicum of skepticism.

No Pbmax that isn't it at all. For you too go so far as to deem my position as 'ridiculous'.

You responded to the OP and bobblehead's post by stating you doubted the loyalty of other posters here at PackerRats. You doubted their loyalty because they saw Driver's statements as an exaggeration (OP on possible role with team) and somewhat self-serving (bobble). That is ridiculous.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Questioning other poster's loyalty to the Packers does smack of McCarthyism. Since he was from WI and a Packer fan he is relevant to the discussion.

So who's going to be on the Packerrats blue-ribbon committee for determining who is really a Packer fan here? I vote wist as the chair.

[woodbuck27]

Subjecting Driver's statements to a modicum of skepticism does not require me to believe he is dishonest, nor does it require me to have proof of previous dishonesty. I think he is merely acting in his best interest.

Was Donald Driver being honest when he was asking for pay raises from the Packers and not commenting publicly about it? That does not seem dishonest to me, but it is selective. And I believe Driver is being selective in what he tells the public about his first year retirement plans. He is planning to have an income and is working toward that end.

So I pass it back to you that we know Driver is selective in what he shares publicly, which is fair ground for a modicum of skepticism.



You responded to the OP and bobblehead's post by stating you doubted the loyalty of other posters here at PackerRats. You doubted their loyalty because they saw Driver's statements as an exaggeration (OP on possible role with team) and somewhat self-serving (bobble). That is ridiculous.

a) Then pbmax ... you be as skeptical as you may choose to be regarding anything Donald Driver and the article attached to this thread. I'll accept Donald Driver on the face value of his honesty/decency. There's plenty of evidence to support my position.

In regards to your claim pbmax. Your claim that Donald Driver was possibly being selective in regards to a reactive response. Is there any great difference between a person being selective in what he/she says Vs being sensible/mannerly and maybe even possessing some personal common sense in terms of PR skills? if there is in your view? Please...enlighten me.

b) Re: this:

" You responded to the OP and bobblehead's post by stating you doubted the loyalty of other posters here at PackerRats. You doubted their loyalty because they saw Driver's statements as an exaggeration (OP on possible role with team) and somewhat self-serving (bobble). That is ridiculous." pbmax

My response to bobblehead's post wasn't in fact directed directly at that poster or any poster here in particular. His post was a mere catalyst to my reaction in that post. My post was much more of a reaction to my observation of many posters here at Packerrats. Posters that again post in a manner that certainly doesn't denote loyalty as being, even marginally, one of those posters best traits. It was a 'if you own it maybe? do something about it', thing.

If your going to attack or otherwise demean me pbmax!? You'd better be prepared to defend any other poster here at Packerrats. Do you desire to go there?

[falco]

Boykin went into games ahead of Driver last year, didn't he? There would need to be a metric ton of injuries.

I believe the technically correct term is a 'metric buttload.'

Feel bad for Driver - I am assuming he could not latch on anywhere?

Defintely not like the Mark Tauscher situation a few years back where we are only one injur away from needing him badly.

[Rastak]

Questioning other poster's loyalty to the Packers does smack of McCarthyism. Since he was from WI and a Packer fan he is relevant to the discussion.

So who's going to be on the Packerrats blue-ribbon committee for determining who is really a Packer fan here? I vote wist as the chair.

I'm likely on the top of the list. After that, it gets murkier.......

[gbgary]

.......

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm likely on the top of the list. After that, it gets murkier.......

Stone the heretic! Burn him! Stone him with burning rocks! And then... do other things like have a glass of lemonade as stoning someone with burning rocks is hard work.

[swede]

I'm likely on the top of the list. After that, it gets murkier.......

For us it is usually Favre stuff. About which trivial matters do Viking fans attack each other during the dog days of offseason?

[MJZiggy]

Stone the heretic! Burn him! Stone him with burning rocks! And then... do other things like have a glass of lemonade as stoning someone with burning rocks is hard work.

You could burn your hands stoning someone with burning rocks. Best to just skip the stoning and have the lemonade. It is hard lemonade we're talking about here, right?

[Joemailman]

Stone him with burning rocks!

How about if I just get stoned with bourbon on the rocks!

[Bossman641]

For us it is usually Favre stuff. About which trivial matters do Viking fans attack each other during the dog days of offseason?

Hmmmm...who gets to polish their Lombardi trophies? Sorry Ras.

[pbmax]

I'm likely on the top of the list. After that, it gets murkier.......

No you are out of the closet as a Viking fan. Its the one's hiding that Craig wants to subpoena.