So... Aaron Hernandez

[Patler]

Reports are that Hernandez is also being investigated for a double murder in 2012. A theory is that Lloyd knew about the murders, and might have been killed to shut him up.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...stigation.html

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...r-murders.html

[cheesner]

Methinks they're damn pissed about the destroying of the evidence.

Word out of Pats camp is Belicheat is embarrassed his own player didn't know how to destroy a tape.

There's also the thing in Florida about shooting a guy in the face.

Not an issue. The Supreme Court just passed a law making at least some homosexual activity legal.


Speaking of which, I think the Pats cut him knowing, guilty or innocent, he was spending some time in jail. They need a tight end and he will probably be a wide receiver after a few days in jail.

[RashanGary]

The scary thing for Hernandez is he's probably going to go to maximum security prison. When the population you live in is 50% true psychopaths, nothing he's ever done in this world that gave him so much will matter. Psychopaths don't care about anything, don't respect anything. They're soulless bodies, and that's where Hernandez is going to live.

Being hispanic, being strong, being young, being an athlete, you hope for his sake he'll become the leader or at least a member of one of the groups of people who aren't psychopathic. In that case, he'll have protection from the population of psychopathic loners.

Either way, his life is about to change for the very worst. It might be worse than being shot 3 times, then getting two more to the chest.

[Patler]

Being hispanic, being strong, being young, being an athlete, you hope for his sake he'll become the leader or at least a member of one of the groups of people who aren't psychopathic. In that case, he'll have protection from the population of psychopathic loners.

How is he different from them? Several articles described him as a loner on the Pats, one who never did anything with his team mates and had run-ins with a couple. Now he is being investigated for two more murders. He might be just another of those that you describe.

[RashanGary]

How is he different from them? Several articles described him as a loner on the Pats, one who never did anything with his team mates and had run-ins with a couple. Now he is being investigated for two more murders. He might be just another of those that you describe.

He might. Somehow I doubt it though. I have a brother who's a psychopath. There's a difference between people who do bad things and people who have no soul who also do bad things. Psychopath's are rare. I don't know the number, but maybe half of murderers are psychopaths. There are plenty of really sick people who commit murder yet aren't psychopaths.

And this is all a hunch, but I have a psychopathic brother, a year and a half younger than me, and they are expressionless babies who don't want to be touched, held, soothed, smiled at, played with or anything. They grow up into expressionless children who don't want to be touched (and also exhibit extreme cruelty to other people and life in general) then they learn how to pretend to fit in (something they have become actors to accomplish, but not even good actors as people naturally assume the best. Psychopaths find this to be too easy, and almost funny that people assume good in others) then they commit horrible wrongs to society in one form or another, then they die, thank god. I look at pictures of Hernandez, and to be honest, this is just a gut instinct from someone who's looked into empty, soulless eyes, but he seems to be a person to me. A scared, back against the wall person more comparable to a wild animal trapped in a corner than a regular person, but a person none-the-less. I know what empty eyes look like. I know what a voice, completely void of soul sounds like. I don't get any of that impression from Hernandez. He comes off as a really sick person to me, and a person I wouldn't want to suffer, yet would want taken completely away from society. If he's going to die, I think he deserves a quick death, similar to a wild animal that needs to be taken out for protections sake. If he's going to prison, I think he deserves a chance to live there and grow as a person. What price can he pay that will brink anything back? There is no price. But maybe he can learn from his mistakes and be a positive influence on some other people who go to prison, but will get out some day. You never know. Everything is going to be taken from him. All he can do now is help the world, not hurt it.

[Patler]

He might. Somehow I doubt it though. I have a brother who's a psychopath. There's a difference between people who do bad things and people who have no soul who also do bad things. Psychopath's are rare. I don't know the number, but maybe half of murderers are psychopaths. There are plenty of really sick people who commit murder yet aren't psychopaths.

And this is all a hunch, but I have a psychopathic brother, a year and a half younger than me, and they are expressionless babies who don't want to be touched, held, soothed, smiled at, played with or anything. They grow up into expressionless children who don't want to be touched (and also exhibit extreme cruelty to other people and life in general) then they learn how to pretend to fit in (something they have become actors to accomplish, but not even good actors as people naturally assume the best. Psychopaths find this to be too easy, and almost funny that people assume good in others) then they commit horrible wrongs to society in one form or another, then they die, thank god. I look at pictures of Hernandez, and to be honest, this is just a gut instinct from someone who's looked into empty, soulless eyes, but he seems to be a person to me. A scared, back against the wall person more comparable to a wild animal trapped in a corner than a regular person, but a person none-the-less. I know what empty eyes look like. I know what a voice, completely void of soul sounds like. I don't get any of that impression from Hernandez. He comes off as a really sick person to me, and a person I wouldn't want to suffer, yet would want taken completely away from society. If he's going to die, I think he deserves a quick death, similar to a wild animal that needs to be taken out for protections sake. If he's going to prison, I think he deserves a chance to live there and grow as a person. What price can he pay that will brink anything back? There is no price. But maybe he can learn from his mistakes and be a positive influence on some other people who go to prison, but will get out some day. You never know. Everything is going to be taken from him. All he can do now is help the world, not hurt it.

Just a guess on my part, too, but I read (or heard, can't remember which) a reporters comments that even the cops and court room personnel were surprised at his total lack of emotion. One described him as seemingly detached from what was going on.

We might just be scratching the surface on his inner workings.

[Patler]

Comments like this give me the impression that he is cold and detached:

...stood with his hands cuffed in front of him, wearing a white, V-neck T-shirt and a look mostly devoid of emotion. This was inside Attleboro District Court in Massachusetts on Wednesday afternoon, just feet away as a prosecutor read off a web of evidence that put him at the scene of Odin Lloyd's death 10 days ago and led to this most serious of charges:

Murder for the former New England Patriots tight end.

If Hernandez felt any fear over charges that could take him from the glory of the NFL to a life sentence, he didn't show it. If he felt any emotion over the death of his one-time friend, even as Lloyd's mother had to leave the courtroom, he didn't show it. If he was moved to anger about the judge denying him bail as he awaits trial, he didn't show it.

He was mostly calm and unmoved, eyes wide open ...(as)...prosecutor William McCauley went on and on for more than 20 minutes laying out a case where via text messages, cell phone tower contact and surveillance video showed Hernandez and Lloyd traveling together to North Attleboro, a bedroom community south of Boston where Hernandez lived on the day Lloyd was found dead.

[RashanGary]

Just a guess on my part, too, but I read (or heard, can't remember which) a reporters comments that even the cops and court room personnel were surprised at his total lack of emotion. One described him as seemingly detached from what was going on.

We might just be scratching the surface on his inner workings.

Yeah, everyone knows what a sociopath is, at least people all people who cover court proceedings. I've seen that too. How would you be if your whole life was up in the air like that, let alone if you were a person with incredibly immature coping and life-management skills. He probably is detached. He could be a sociopath. I don't know for sure. I tend to think a sociopath would look at this more as a game and be intrigued by it, but that's just my impression. He'd probably be trying to show emotion, because he knows what he is and what he should appear like to make his situation better. I think my brother would find this interesting and fun. He wouldn't have committed such a careless murder either. It would have been far calmer and better planned. He'd call someone an idiot for committing murder this way. Just stupid, really. And emotion, after all, defies logic and can be very stupid. The murder just seems like a guy who's afraid to be caught, who's in a hurry. That's very non psychopathic in my experience. Murder would be much better planned, like getting ready for work or something like that.


Now, the person who did the boston marathon bombing. . . . Now that guy appears to be a sociopath. The randomness of it, literally not caring at all if innocent people died. . . . I can almost picture a person getting defensive enough, angry enough to kill someone else. I can't picture randomly bombing mothers, fathers and potentially children for no reason. That seems unhuman to me. Hernandez played a dangerous game, he played for keeps, and now he's lost everything. While it seems to make no sense at all, we haven't lived in his shoes. Maybe he has extreme trust and intimacy issues and he lives life carelessly and recklessly to avoid having to feel hurt, alone, lost, incapable and/or sad. Who knows, but his murder seemed to have a little more self-preservation aspect to it, something I think can happen to people if they're in a bad enough emotional/mental state. When someone lives life in that type of culture, with those types of attitudes, I tend to doubt psychopathy or sociopathy. It's more of a dog-eat-dog world. He could have gotten out of it, but maybe it's all he knew. Maybe he didn't know how to live differently. If I thought someone was going to kill me or end my life as I knew it and the rules of the game were death to the loser, I might be more willing to kill someone, ya know, same as soldiers or anyone else in a (him or me) environment. I might even kill the person before they had a chance if I felt threatened enough. Of course, I don't play life by those rules, so I'll never know how I'd act in that type of situation.

[RashanGary]

What does a sniper think when he's shooting a 17 year old Iraqi boy in the face? Does he think about that 17 year old boy getting up feeding his little brother and baby sister before he went out to do what he had to do for the day, or is he trained not to think about those types of things, not to let them cross his mind. The military can condition normal people into cold-blooded killers. Why can't certain cultures and upbringings do the same?

[hoosier]

I wouldn't try to read too much into second hand descriptions of how the guy looks during his hearing. If he is a sentient being with a soul, he (or it) is probably in shock right now.

[RashanGary]

I wouldn't try to read too much into second hand descriptions of how the guy looks during his hearing. If he is a sentient being with a soul, he (or it) is probably in shock right now.

Probably detaching from the situation too. I know a guy who's baby daughter died in a horrible accident. He looked as empty and expressionless as a person can possibly look. Then he started badly abusing drugs and acting pretty much like a person who didn't care about anything, as he didn't. He left his family, moved a dozen states away and didn't talk to anyone for three years. He was shut off. People can shut off. If you're shut off long enough, people think that's who you are. It's sort of the way things work. But the reality, I don't think very many people are soulless sociopaths. More than likely, they're very detached from who they really are and living a horrible life. The shame he's going to live with might be more unbearable than the prison sentence. Even if he can shut off from it now, he won't be able to shut off from it forever. It's sad, to me, but also, these guys need to be taken out of society. You can't risk innocent people to help those who are running around hurting others.

[RashanGary]

There are people who grow up, their dad beats the shit out of their mom, introduces them to danger and violence at an early age, then just leaves the family. That's similar trauma to someone having their baby daughter die, and this is a little kid. Now this kid grows up scared, angry, empty and ashamed. Who knows what a person is capable of doing when they're in that state. Just look at the perfectly normal person who had a whole life to grow and learn to be a person when his daughter died. Hernandez might not have had a full life to grow and learn. His trauma may have happened before he was old enough to cope.

I give zero excuses for the guy. He deserves whatever he gets. I have a hard time not seeing the human being inside him though. For some reason, I don't hate the guy, and don't wish the worst on him. I can't figure out exactly why, but I don't.

[Zool]

There are people who grow up, their dad beats the shit out of their mom, introduces them to danger and violence at an early age, then just leaves the family. That's similar trauma to someone having their baby daughter die, and this is a little kid. Now this kid grows up scared, angry, empty and ashamed. Who knows what a person is capable of doing when they're in that state. Just look at the perfectly normal person who had a whole life to grow and learn to be a person when his daughter died. Hernandez might not have had a full life to grow and learn. His trauma may have happened before he was old enough to cope.

I give zero excuses for the guy. He deserves whatever he gets. I have a hard time not seeing the human being inside him though. For some reason, I don't hate the guy, and don't wish the worst on him. I can't figure out exactly why, but I don't.

Because you are detached from this situation. If he wasn't an NFL player, none of us would even know his name or that he killed a person. We love a spectacle and we love to see the mighty fall. It's entertainment to us. If you were Lloyd's family member or friend, you'd probably feel different.

[RashanGary]

Because you are detached from this situation. If he wasn't an NFL player, none of us would even know his name or that he killed a person. We love a spectacle and we love to see the mighty fall. It's entertainment to us. If you were Lloyd's family member or friend, you'd probably feel different.

If I was Lloyd's family member, I might be angry at him for being involved with people who tote death machines as a way to intimidate and threaten. I'd probably be angry at him for putting himself there, honestly. I probably would have tried to tell him several times to get out.

Judging by Lloyd's text, he knew he was in danger. Judging by his teammates comments, they knew Hernandez was a dangerous guy, a guy they wanted to stay away from.

I was detached from the Boston Marathon bombing too, and my first reaction was wanting to see that guy put to death. It's really hard for me to get in the mind of someone who does what that guy did. Maybe I'm fucked up, but it's not so hard for me to picture what Hernandez was trying to do. He seemed like a guy who was fulfilling a promise. He promised to live a certain way and he followed through. Most people were smart enough to stay away from him.

I don't blame Lloyd for getting shot, but I do blame him for not following his gut instincts and keeping himself safe. We all need to learn to follow our gut more. Facts this, rational that, but sometimes we just have to trust our instincts with people and Lloyd didn't do that. The people in the Boston Marathon bombing didn't even have the choice to stay away from that guy. It was so random, so unexpected. That, to me, is horrible. If I'm Lloyd, the last thing I'm thinking about when I die is how I should have never been there.

[LP]

What does a sniper think when he's shooting a 17 year old Iraqi boy in the face? Does he think about that 17 year old boy getting up feeding his little brother and baby sister before he went out to do what he had to do for the day, or is he trained not to think about those types of things, not to let them cross his mind. The military can condition normal people into cold-blooded killers. Why can't certain cultures and upbringings do the same?

If you really believe all this, then you really are a clueless tool.