Datone Jones, Best Rookie Pass Rusher?

[pbmax]

Chuck Smith, who runs a camp to prepare players for the NFL thinks Jones' pass rushing skills have been shortchanged. He thinks he has a natural feel for it.

NFP says that conventional scout (PackerRats) wisdom is that Jones will replace Wilson and is viewed by NFL team scouts as a run stopper at DE. Smith thinks that is selling him short.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9247.html

[Pugger]

I sure hope he's right. If we can have him and Perry along with Clay getting after the QB this season is gonna be fun.

[denverYooper]

I sure hope he's right. If we can have him and Perry along with Clay getting after the QB this season is gonna be fun.

Don't forget fake tough guy.

If all 4 can be healthy(ish) this year, pass rush could look much better.

[packer4life]

Always pictured Daniels and Raji rushing inside in nickel/dime on 3rd and long. Wonder if Datone can take some of Daniels' snaps away. Raji and Datone inside to penetrate could be fun to watch. Even Neal sliding inside (I assume he may play a bit of OLB on rushing downs) on 3rd down could be fruitful. Definitely reason to think we may improve as a pass-rush unit this year.

Wist agrees, Dom's scheme is top notch and we are gonna lead the league in sacks and run defense...right Wist?

[woodbuck27]

I believe that sometime this season and the later the better; we'll see a dramatic improvement in our pass rush and run 'D'.

I also believe 'that' added to a more versatile attack on 'O' will go to where we need to see it and jumping ahead of the likes of San Fran and Seattle and Denver to capture the Super Bowl.

PACKERS !

[digitaldean]

I could go for them laying out Kaeppernick in the season opener. He had a monster performance against the Packers. Now it's time to see if this defense and this team learned anything from it.

[wist43]

Always pictured Daniels and Raji rushing inside in nickel/dime on 3rd and long. Wonder if Datone can take some of Daniels' snaps away. Raji and Datone inside to penetrate could be fun to watch. Even Neal sliding inside (I assume he may play a bit of OLB on rushing downs) on 3rd down could be fruitful. Definitely reason to think we may improve as a pass-rush unit this year.

Wist agrees, Dom's scheme is top notch and we are gonna lead the league in sacks and run defense...right Wist?

lol...

Well, don't think I could ever get stoned enough to mistake Dom Capers for Vince Lombardi, but as I've said all along, I like a lot of the players, so if he would simply get his spraypainted head out of his ass, maybe we could have something.

I didn't like the Jones pick, but that was b/c of Capers, even though I'm okay with Jones as a player; and the year before, everyone was a miscast pick as well; he's misused Raji every year since he's been here - he's just a complete dunderhead, and I want him gone. We've discussed his MO - he gets fired everywhere he goes for a reason.

That said, if Perry comes back healthy and motivated, and Capers can get out of his own way, maybe we can make a run... but that would be dependent on some of the bullies coming back to us. At full strength?? We just don't match up with SF, SEA, or NYG... maybe not even Washington. We're about even with NO, Minn can beat us on any given Sunday - and we have a very tough schedule.

It'll be an interesting season, that's for sure.

[Patler]

Wist agrees, Dom's scheme is top notch and we are gonna lead the league in sacks and run defense...right Wist?

lol...

Well, don't think I could ever get stoned enough to mistake Dom Capers for Vince Lombardi, but as I've said all along, I like a lot of the players, so if he would simply get his spraypainted head out of his ass, maybe we could have something.

I suspect Capers has a better defensive mind than Lombardi did. Lombardi pretty much turned over the defense to Phil Bengtson.

[Fritz]

I suspect Capers has a better defensive mind than Lombardi did. Lombardi pretty much turned over the defense to Phil Bengtson.

So Lombardi was really an offensive-minded guy? I did not know that. I knew he was a Giants' assistant, and I think I read he wanted to bring a fellow assistant with him to GB - some guy named Landry - but I'd assumed for some reason that Lombardi was a defensive coordinator.

Oops.

So I wonder why Bengston flopped so badly as a head coach. Just a better assistant? Lack of talent? That was, after all, an aging team that Lombardi had not done a good job of replenishing.

[pbmax]

Landry was the Giants D coordinator while Lombardi coached offense. Landry's Flex Defense was designed in part to stop Lombardi's sweeps.

[KYPack]

So Lombardi was really an offensive-minded guy? I did not know that. I knew he was a Giants' assistant, and I think I read he wanted to bring a fellow assistant with him to GB - some guy named Landry - but I'd assumed for some reason that Lombardi was a defensive coordinator.

Oops.

So I wonder why Bengston flopped so badly as a head coach. Just a better assistant? Lack of talent? That was, after all, an aging team that Lombardi had not done a good job of replenishing.

Phil had the problems Fritz ID's plus he was simply too easy going to be an NFL HC. Landry didn't want to go to GB and be an assistant. He was going to be a HC somewhere or go back to Texas and get into business.

Phil was the DC for the 49ers. In the NFL "underground", Bengston was widely regarded as one of the top DC's in the league. Lombardi went after him as soon as he got the big job in GB.

Fritz also discusses the "dirty little secret" of the Lombardi regime. VTL didn't have top notch college scouting men in his staff and VTL wasn't that good at it either.

All the GBP scouting and player personnel moves were made by a guy named Jack Vainisi (his brother Jerry would become the head man for the Bears). Jack died early in the '60 season and he was essentially never replaced.

[Patler]

When Lombardi retired, there was a general feeling that things would be OK, because Lombardi would still run the operation, Bengtson was groomed by Lombardi as his replacement, Bengtson had been with Lombardi from the start and Bengtson had directed some great defenses.

All that KYP said was revealed to be true in the following years.

Years later, several players admitted that the team took advantage of Bengtson's easy-going manner. Not that they ran rampant, but after the iron fisted intensity of Lombardi, they relaxed under Bengtson and maybe didn't play as well as they could have.

[cheesner]

So Lombardi was really an offensive-minded guy? I did not know that. I knew he was a Giants' assistant, and I think I read he wanted to bring a fellow assistant with him to GB - some guy named Landry - but I'd assumed for some reason that Lombardi was a defensive coordinator.

John Madden tells a story of when he first started coaching and he thought he knew it all. He went to a seminar and one of the speakers was Lombardi. Vince talked for 8 hrs on the power sweep. Madden left thinking he didn't know very much about football. How you fill 8 hrs on one play, I can't imagine.


As far as Datone goes - I haven't been this excited about a rookie since Raji. I never thought Jones would be available to us at our pick, I am surprised he made it past the Steelers. Love to hear stories like this - can't wait to see how the young man fits in.

[packer4life]

John Madden tells a story of when he first started coaching and he thought he knew it all. He went to a seminar and one of the speakers was Lombardi. Vince talked for 8 hrs on the power sweep. Madden left thinking he didn't know very much about football. How you fill 8 hrs on one play, I can't imagine.


As far as Datone goes - I haven't been this excited about a rookie since Raji. I never thought Jones would be available to us at our pick, I am surprised he made it past the Steelers. Love to hear stories like this - can't wait to see how the young man fits in.

I'd love to hear 8 hours on the Capers' 3-man-rush hail mary prevent defense. I hear it is quite effective...

[denverYooper]

To answer the thread Q: yes.