What should Rodgers do?

[mraynrand]

Probably not, but I would bet my salary that they test for equinox.

Vernal or Ottumwal?

[Guiness]

They are friends,you stand by your friend.

The way Hernandez did? Extreme comparison, I know, but you have to be able to realize when your friends are hurting you, and question how good an idea it is to remain friends. You don't have to turn your back, but distance yourself enough...at least cease business associations. When you make your living in pro sports, it's not a good thing to associate yourself too closely with someone who was banned from the same for cheating!

[hoosier]

A mess to be sure, but is there more harm than a PR problem and egg on his face? I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the case other than Braun's infamous 'the truth will out' speech. Anything related to Biogenesis seem to be ridiculously vague, just being called 'PEDs'. I assume the reason is proprietary formulas, and related to HGH.

Not HGH but testosterone-stimulating lozenges. In mint and cherry flavor (I am serious). Is there more harm than PR: if you are the owner or the league--or even Braun--there might not be anything bigger than that. Especially Braun: he probably gave the Brewers a home team discount on the assumption that he could make it up in endorsements, and now he is more or less on a par with Jerry Sandusky and Aaron Hernandez for endorsement potential.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Was he gambling or associating with gamblers? And was it on football? I can't believe he got off with a year ban if he was betting on football.

Hornung was doing both. Not betting on games Packers played, I think. But betting small change...$500 and less.

Good article here: http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...1-time_nf.html

[pbmax]

Hornung was doing both. Not betting on games Packers played, I think. But betting small change...$500 and less.

Good article here: http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...1-time_nf.html

Interesting, because about the only thing I agree with MLB about* is that Pete Rose should be banned from baseball in the afterlife as well. And it all stems from gambling (and then lying about gambling) on the game.

Everyone has their fainting couches prepared for PED issues, and some even think these new PED revelations argue for Rose getting another chance, but I cannot see how PED use rates as a worse crime than betting on the game you are playing (or managing).

Does Gaylord Perry's career spitball use make Pete Rose less of a slime ball?


* There is one other. Football folk, like Albert Breer, constantly refer to baseball likes its failing and about to disappear like boxing from the sporting landscape. No one pays attention to any mass communication number but TV ratings anymore. And while that is a significant driver of revenue, baseball seems to do OK with record levels of attendance and gate receipts.

[Maxie the Taxi]

The real advantage Hornung garnered is that he fessed up immediately, apologized and took his medicine like a man. I felt as a fan back then that I got screwed out of an extra year of watching Hornung play. I blamed him but also felt the league was out to make an example out of him. He (along with Brett Favre) was the best "football player" I've ever seen on the field. He had a tremendous "feel" for the game. I think he played both ways at Notre Dame and set records as a DB. Great in the clutch as well.

[hoosier]

Interesting, because about the only thing I agree with MLB about* is that Pete Rose should be banned from baseball in the afterlife as well. And it all stems from gambling (and then lying about gambling) on the game.

Everyone has their fainting couches prepared for PED issues, and some even think these new PED revelations argue for Rose getting another chance, but I cannot see how PED use rates as a worse crime than betting on the game you are playing (or managing).

I know MLB doesn't make any distinction between betting for vs. against your own team, but should we? The argument against betting on your team is that it creates at least the semblance of conflict of interest. But if someone like Rose could show that he had only ever bet on the Reds winning, where is the conflict of interest?

Hornung was suspended for gambling and for associating with unsavory elements or some such thing. I haven't found anything written about who he was placing bets with, but I wonder if the real problem wasn't the betting per se but the risk (real or perceived) of the league's star associating with Hyman Roth types.

[Guiness]

Not HGH but testosterone-stimulating lozenges. In mint and cherry flavor (I am serious). Is there more harm than PR: if you are the owner or the league--or even Braun--there might not be anything bigger than that. Especially Braun: he probably gave the Brewers a home team discount on the assumption that he could make it up in endorsements, and now he is more or less on a par with Jerry Sandusky and Aaron Hernandez for endorsement potential.

Dunno, Ben Johnson got a deal peddling energy drinks

I wonder what happens with him next year? How much will his play suffer? Baseball contract are guaranteed, so he should at least get the rest of the pretty sizeable one he has now.

edit: Looks like the dominos have started to fall wrt Braun's endorsement deals. Kwik Trip (what is that?) dumped him

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22857808/ryan-braun-loses-local-endorsement-deal

[hoosier]

Kwik Trip is a regional chain of stop-and-robs (convenience stores).

[Fritz]

I know MLB doesn't make any distinction between betting for vs. against your own team, but should we? The argument against betting on your team is that it creates at least the semblance of conflict of interest. But if someone like Rose could show that he had only ever bet on the Reds winning, where is the conflict of interest?

Hornung was suspended for gambling and for associating with unsavory elements or some such thing. I haven't found anything written about who he was placing bets with, but I wonder if the real problem wasn't the betting per se but the risk (real or perceived) of the league's star associating with Hyman Roth types.

I used to think the same thing - what's really wrong with betting on your own team? - until I got schooled several years ago by a (really) old timer.

Here's the scenario he presented: Say Rose bet on his Reds to win. And Rose hasn't been winning much lately, and in trying to get it back he plunks a whole lotta coin on his team - coin he may be good for, but would break him. He figures he's got his ace on the mound, the other team's throwing a dog out there- in short, it's all favorable. So he puts it all on Red(s).

Game gets late, and it's a tight one. Maybe Rose would let his ace reliever throw an extra two innings, 'cuz Pete's gotta have this game. Maybe he keeps his star in the game when the guy tells Rose he's tweaked a hammy rounding third. In short, maybe Rose sacrifices the best longer-term interests of the team in order to win this one game.

That's why it's a bad idea.

As for what Rodgers should do, that's easy. When he's asked, just say "Ryan Braun who?"

[Pugger]

The real advantage Hornung garnered is that he fessed up immediately, apologized and took his medicine like a man. I felt as a fan back then that I got screwed out of an extra year of watching Hornung play. I blamed him but also felt the league was out to make an example out of him. He (along with Brett Favre) was the best "football player" I've ever seen on the field. He had a tremendous "feel" for the game. I think he played both ways at Notre Dame and set records as a DB. Great in the clutch as well.

Hornung also didn't play during this social media era and 24/7 sports coverage so he never had to face the scrutiny that Rodgers will tomorrow when he comes back to GB. Rodgers should just say he is disappointed in Braun but will still be his friend and will be there for him. Hopefully that will be the end of it. And I hope this will teach him and others to be a tad more careful what they tweet in the future.

[hoosier]

I used to think the same thing - what's really wrong with betting on your own team? - until I got schooled several years ago by a (really) old timer.

Here's the scenario he presented: Say Rose bet on his Reds to win. And Rose hasn't been winning much lately, and in trying to get it back he plunks a whole lotta coin on his team - coin he may be good for, but would break him. He figures he's got his ace on the mound, the other team's throwing a dog out there- in short, it's all favorable. So he puts it all on Red(s).

Game gets late, and it's a tight one. Maybe Rose would let his ace reliever throw an extra two innings, 'cuz Pete's gotta have this game. Maybe he keeps his star in the game when the guy tells Rose he's tweaked a hammy rounding third. In short, maybe Rose sacrifices the best longer-term interests of the team in order to win this one game.

That's why it's a bad idea.

As for what Rodgers should do, that's easy. When he's asked, just say "Ryan Braun who?"

Ace relievers are now biologically programmed to self-destruct after one inning, so that problem is solved, but the hamstring hasn't evolved that much so I guess you make a good point.

[ThunderDan]

ARod should man up and admit what he said and tweeted. Then admit that Braun fooled him just like everyone else.

[Guiness]

Hornung also didn't play during this social media era and 24/7 sports coverage so he never had to face the scrutiny that Rodgers will tomorrow when he comes back to GB. Rodgers should just say he is disappointed in Braun but will still be his friend and will be there for him. Hopefully that will be the end of it. And I hope this will teach him and others to be a tad more careful what they tweet in the future.

So...what happens with the guy Rodgers bet a season's salary with that Braun was clean? I heard he's offering Aaron a settlement, he'll accept a single game cheque

[Upnorth]

Neigh!

I don't really care one way or another about the thread topic, but thre have been some great one liners thanks to it!