WHO HAS THE 2nd HIGHEST TRADE VALUE IN THE NFL ???????????

[RashanGary]

Luck. It isn't even a question for me.

He's a pocket QB with elite potential who will be in this league for 15 more years. Wilson/RGIII/CK are guys who run a lot and have a shorter shelf life. When their athletic ability goes into decline and injury risk increases after age 30, their production could go into decline as they try to transition to a pure pocket passer.

I definitely agree with you on Luck. I would not go so far as to say CK or Wilson are not pocket passers. Both look like they may have what it takes to be elite pocket passers. CK, in particular, has a similar elite skillset to Luck, with slightly better athleticism. CK and Wilson give me a lot of intrigue going forward. Kaepernick is so early in his development. This year is going to be huge for how we end up viewing him.

[Guiness]

I definitely agree with you on Luck. I would not go so far as to say CK or Wilson are not pocket passers. Both look like they may have what it takes to be elite pocket passers. CK, in particular, has a similar elite skillset to Luck, with slightly better athleticism. CK and Wilson give me a lot of intrigue going forward. Kaepernick is so early in his development. This year is going to be huge for how we end up viewing him.

I think CK can become a more traditional pocket passer, with good escape/scrambling skills. Can Russell do that though? How much does his height hurt him if he tries to do that?

[Patler]

I don't know if I consider that contract manageable. The way I read it, Detroit (and next, the Rams) are hamstrung by these legacy rookie contracts. No way either of those guys pulls down a $20M number if it wasn't with the rookie deal hanging over the team's head. The Dolphins got out of the Jake Long one, but it was easier for them because he wasn't a franchise QB.

Spot on. The Lions are really hamstrung by the Stafford/Megatron/Suh deals going forward. Stafford's cap hits in 2015/16/17 are 17.7M, 22.5M, and 22M. Megatron's are 20.6, 24.1, 21.4. Suh's deal runs out after the 2014 year and they will have to either release/resign him prior to that as his number is 21.4 in 2014. They are basically in a position where they will have to re-do the deals every few years just to provide some relief.

As big as Rodgers numbers are, they are consistent year to year and not in a situation where we will have to re-do the deal prior to it expiring.

But those are not the numbers that affect his value in a trade, because the team that would trade for him would not have those cap numbers for him. Detroit would have to account for his bonuses against their cap, the acquiring team would be responsible only for the annual salaries and new bonuses, if any.

Essentially, Stafford is untradeable and uncuttable for a couple years, not because a team wouldn't be willing to give a lot for him, but because Detroit likely could not manage the cap hit for his accelerated bonuses. That is also true for Rodgers.

Stafford's value in a trade should be high, a team would give a lot for him, because what he would count toward the cap of the acquiring team is indeed very manageble. The trade won't happen, because of the cap hit against Detroit, but that would be true for Rodgers, too.

[Guiness]

True Patler, and I wasn't looking at it that way, which is what this thread is supposed to be about

From Detroit's point of view though, I'm still not so sure I would call Stafford's contract 'manageable'. He's closer to Schaub than Rodgers, who is making about $11M per on a contract signed last year. So is Flacco, but he landed the perfect storm of FA, SB win and former face of franchise retiring.

[smuggler]

Geno Atkins has to be pretty high on that list, I'd think.