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    WHO IS THE 3rd BEST COACH OF ALL TIME ????

    Seeing this is my poll.......I get to set the rules/tone . It goes without saying
    in my world that the two best NFL coaches of all time are Vinny Genius and Hoody Genius

    Let's only go back to the 60's here. I don't know football remotely well enough to go back before Lombardi........I never witnessed him but he's regarded at a top by all

    If you fanatically listen to the NFL Network.....despite the hatred and extreme bias against Hoody Genius (his GM skills have been rightly ripped lately)..he is still considered to top coach in the NFL by the NFL Network analysts and nationwide.

    But there has been great debate on who is #3...or even the next Tier of Coaches......

    So calling on da Rats for some commentary.

    I have #3 in my pocket.....w/o question......but I know once I make my clear cut #3 many flames will be thrown as it will not be a popular selction either.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER
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    It all depends on what you consider in making a coach great. If it's wins and playoff appearances, I don't know how Don Shula isn't above the #1 and #2. The dude did a ton... with, well, not a helluva lot. No name defense. I have trouble naming 5 of his receivers. Mark Clayton and... err.. um...
    - Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Smeefers View Post
      It all depends on what you consider in making a coach great. If it's wins and playoff appearances, I don't know how Don Shula isn't above the #1 and #2. The dude did a ton... with, well, not a helluva lot. No name defense. I have trouble naming 5 of his receivers. Mark Clayton and... err.. um...
      Well, HOF'er Paul Warfield for half of his career for another.

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      • #4
        In the early days I'm thinking Don Shula had the best receiving corps in the league: John Mackey at TE; WR's Jimmy Orr and Raymond Berry, plus Lenny Moore coming out of the backfield....and Unitas passing to all of them. Not too shabby.
        One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
        John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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        • #5
          In no particular order my top five who have coached since 1960 are Lombardi, Gillman, Coryell, Walsh, Gibbs, Shula, oh wait I'm over five and I haven't mentioned schottenhimer (sp?) and belicheat is somewhere. Could we expand this to say top ten?
          All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

          George Orwell

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
            In the early days I'm thinking Don Shula had the best receiving corps in the league: John Mackey at TE; WR's Jimmy Orr and Raymond Berry, plus Lenny Moore coming out of the backfield....and Unitas passing to all of them. Not too shabby.
            It is amazing how his time with the Colts is often overlooked.

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            • #7
              Smeefs, it was the Marks Brothers. Duper and Clayton.

              If we grant Vince and Bill in some order as 1 and 2, then you have to consider Walsh, Noll, Landry, Shula, Johnson, Gibbs, Levy and Parcells for third.

              Jimmy "Life Like Hair" Johnson, even though his long haul output does match Gibbs, Shula or Parcells is one semifinalist. That was a lot of excellence in a short period of time.

              Walsh is the other. I might consider Gibbs for fourth as well given he took three very different teams and QBs to the Championship.

              I am going Walsh.
              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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              • #8
                I often wondered why during Shula's later years his Dophin teams had shit for defense. Once they drafted Marino, it seemed the defense went to hell. Looking up his early career, I found he had Bill Arnsparger at Baltimore then added Chuck Noll in '66 as defensive coordinator until Chuck left for Pitts. When Shula went to Miami, Arnsparger followed. It was Bill who came up with the "53" defense during the early super bowl years and once he left for the Giants gig, Miami's defense was good but not great like they once were. Perhaps when judging these coaches you have to take into account who they had "helping" them along the way. As much praise we all give Lombardi, rightfully so, let's not forget he had Phil Bengston coaching the defense all those years. And those teams always had a great defense.

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                • #9
                  Shula >> Hoodie
                  It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TravisWilliams23 View Post
                    I often wondered why during Shula's later years his Dophin teams had shit for defense. Once they drafted Marino, it seemed the defense went to hell. Looking up his early career, I found he had Bill Arnsparger at Baltimore then added Chuck Noll in '66 as defensive coordinator until Chuck left for Pitts. When Shula went to Miami, Arnsparger followed. It was Bill who came up with the "53" defense during the early super bowl years and once he left for the Giants gig, Miami's defense was good but not great like they once were. Perhaps when judging these coaches you have to take into account who they had "helping" them along the way. As much praise we all give Lombardi, rightfully so, let's not forget he had Phil Bengston coaching the defense all those years. And those teams always had a great defense.
                    Arnsparger's book on defense is considered the classic tome for defensive coaches.
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #11
                      I think to be fair we ought to at least mention Pappa Bear George Halas in the top three.
                      One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                      John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
                        In no particular order my top five who have coached since 1960 are Lombardi, Gillman, Coryell, Walsh, Gibbs, Shula, oh wait I'm over five and I haven't mentioned schottenhimer (sp?) and belicheat is somewhere. Could we expand this to say top ten?

                        As you know I often fall way outside of the norm; the guy who I think is #3 is not on your list. I will say due to my age I didn't see enough of Don Shula to make that call
                        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                        • #13
                          Shula, Landry,and Walsh would be high on my list. Shula was a head coach for 33 seasons with two different franchises, and had only 2 losing seasons. Landry had 20 consecutive winning seasons. Both showed amazing consistency as their rosters changed many times over. Both showed an ability to adapt to the changing NFL as it evolved from the 1960's to the mid-1980's for Landry and the 1990's for Shula. Quite remarkable, really.

                          I waffle in my opinions on Belichek, despite what all the football experts say about him. I'm sure I am influenced by the fact that I just don't like him. From announcing his resignation as their head coach at the press conference to introduce him as head coach of the Jets, to Spygate and questions about how much deeper it may have gone than that, to questions about his personal integrity, I just have a bad impression about the guy. He had a fantastic run with Brady to win 3 SB's in four years, which earned him his "guru" label, but before and after those 4 years has he really been outstanding, or just another of the good coaches in the NFL? I don't know, but I just can't get firmly behind the guy.

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                          • #14
                            Danget I forgot about Bill Walsh.........from what I've seen he's top 5 for sure.........now I'm more torn on #3
                            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                            • #15
                              My basis for order is what the coach did for the team after he was hired and what the team was doing before the hire. Lombardi is a lock at 1 with his championship record with GB. He took the same players who previously stunk up the joint and built a dynasty. He also took over a bad Redskin team and had them winning instantly. #2 goes to Parcells. Giants from nothing to champs, Patriots from mostly bad to very good-almost champs and Dallas from bad to very good. For #3 I'd go with Walsh. The Niners were OK some years before he took over but once Bil took the reigns they were super. Also, after these men stepped down or moved on, the teams they coached went backwards for the most part. Exception would be the Niners but I'd credit Walsh with building such a great team that had the talent to still compete even after he left.

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