Vince Young?

[Zool]

Says the guy who ran away from FYI and every wrong argument he ever made, which it turns out, was just about every one of them.

Anyway...

I'm supposed to believe this team is Super Bowl bound and Vince Young's career is now considered HOF material because he had a good preseason drive? What exactly am I supposed to be "eating shit" for?

I'm sure he's done more than that. Nothing I've witnessed, but I'm sure he has. He's got IT.

[bobblehead]

The burn. Feel the burn. That's those humility muscles getting exercised. It's healthy to be wrong now and then, prune away a little of the excess ego.

If that is so, you sir will live forever.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Clefty sometimes wonders what is being evaluated in preseason. Take a short run early in the game. Harrell has a single back (lacey), a fullback (Kuhn), a tight end offset in the backfield, and a single wide receiver. There is a single safety deep and a corner on the WR, but otherwise there are nine defenders close on the LOS. The Packers run for minimal gain and even the announcer, Ian (I-an not E-an) Eagle (I-an not E-an)) point our that Lacey breaks four tackles, but a defender is still there. Well, what are the options? To think that the run blocking is awful, or to perhaps wonder whether Harrell was being evaluated whether he knew enough to check out of a terrible play call. Rodgers would have checked to the WR and thrown a slant (or whatever pattern he checked to). Or was Harrell compelled to run the play because the staff wanted to evaluated the blocking against 9 in the box. Very hard to tell, but what Cleft knows for certain is that play would very likely never have been run in the regular season.

This is cogent analysis by Mr. Crusty. What Maxie knows for certain that that preseason games wouldn't never be played in the regular season.

[Fritz]

They couldn't be. Or else they couldn't call them PRE season games!

[swede]

They couldn't be. Or else they couldn't call them PRE season games!

I think Fritz is being

[mraynrand]

I think Fritz is being

Maxi and Fritz are being very:

[red]

so i'm guessing VY gets to play most of the game tonight

[SkinBasket]

Gosh it's a terrible thing when people speak too soon. Ironic, but terrible.

[Joemailman]

I guess in the end the guy with a 6 on the Wonderlic couldn't figure out the Packers offense.

[pbmax]

I guess in the end the guy with a 6 on the Wonderlic couldn't figure out the Packers offense.

I think eventually McCarthy and the West Coast Offense's method is going to change, or perhaps, be superseded by offensive schemes that lower the number of plays and reads. Ironically, head in a direction favored by Maxie in another thread.

There is a huge benefit from running option and prepackaged plays. The offense takes less time to install, adjustments are easier to make and your QB doesn't need 3 years in the system to make it work. If you can employ a mobile QB who doesn't have the Round 1 measurables of Elway/Manning/Luck, you can save a LOT of money and have a backup to boot (Pat White). There is the strategic benefit that the QB on the field can stress the defense on his own without having to audible not to mention the stress his mobility could cause.

Read option is one of these changes, but Oregon's offense will have others in a similar vein. The big development in college (and in some NFL cities) this year is the growth of prepackaged plays, which are plays and alignments that have up to five places to go with the ball based usually one pre snap read and one post snap read. Rodgers and McCarthy run two of these; one is the run pass option where only Rodgers knows which he will choose (McCarren usually spots these on the radio if you are interested) and the other is called a stick draw. Rodgers reads a LB to determine whether he is crashing for the run or settling into pass coverage. If coverage, Rodgers gives the back on a draw. If crashing, Rodgers throws a stick route which looks like slant that the receiver has stopped suddenly.

The other benefit is that unlike mass substitutions, you can run these multitude of plays from similar personnel. It therefore can be run up tempo and help the O force the D not to substitute.

[denverYooper]

I think eventually McCarthy and the West Coast Offense's method is going to change, or perhaps, be superseded by offensive schemes that lower the number of plays and reads. Ironically, head in a direction favored by Maxie in another thread.

There is a huge benefit from running option and prepackaged plays. The offense takes less time to install, adjustments are easier to make and your QB doesn't need 3 years in the system to make it work. If you can employ a mobile QB who doesn't have the Round 1 measurables of Elway/Manning/Luck, you can save a LOT of money and have a backup to boot (Pat White). There is the strategic benefit that the QB on the field can stress the defense on his own without having to audible not to mention the stress his mobility could cause.

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Brian McIntyre @brian_mcintyre 6m

Bottom 5 in cash spending at QB: Seahawks ($1.45M), Bengals ($2.177M), 49ers ($2.8M), Browns ($2.989M), Redskins ($3.331M). Enjoy it now.

have got me thinking. What will this mean for QB salaries over the next 2-3 years? Seahawks, 9ers, Redskins are getting great value atm, but what how do those negotiations work out when their contracts are up for renewal?

[pbmax]

Your comments and this tweet:

Brian McIntyre @brian_mcintyre 6m

Bottom 5 in cash spending at QB: Seahawks ($1.45M), Bengals ($2.177M), 49ers ($2.8M), Browns ($2.989M), Redskins ($3.331M). Enjoy it now.

have got me thinking. What will this mean for QB salaries over the next 2-3 years? Seahawks, 9ers, Redskins are getting great value atm, but what how do those negotiations work out when their contracts are up for renewal?

If they continue to be successful throwing it, they move into the stratosphere. However, roughly speaking, the more running they do the less astronomical their stats might be. But if you pay that contract, then financially you are in the same boat as everyone else with a franchise QB. But you do get 3-5 years to front load deals, find other talent and sign FAs.

The alternative is to release and go back to the well looking for a mobile QB bargain.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Gosh it's a terrible thing when people speak too soon. Ironic, but terrible.

It's not too soon to say you are a hater, baiter and mashed potater. Terrible. IF I had a son, I hope he would look like Vince Young.

[mraynrand]

It's not too soon to say you are a hater, baiter and mashed potater. Terrible. IF I had a son, I hope he would look like Vince Young.

you mean a failure? Just like dear old dad?

[NewsBruin]

My opinion: You have three classes of QBs: Rookie starting material (cheap), journeymen 2nd contract starters (also cheap), and 2nd/3rd contract starters (top of the market and locked up at all costs - consistently pushing the pay envelope). The big concerns come when your Kaepernicks and Russells put their numbers up against Romo's and Sanchez's postpone-salary-cap-armageddon extensions. Seattle and SF can make riskier roster moves, as they have a few more seasons with a cheap QB.