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  • #31
    TT can wait until Monday.

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    • #32
      I can't believe so many people don't want a veteran back up. They'd rather go with some crappy nobody. I've been grumbling for years that we need a vet to back up Rodgers and now that one is here, people want to go with the kid who has a 30 QB rating just because he knows the system.

      I'll tell you what, if Rodgers goes down in week 3, we're just as screwed, whether we have Harrell or Young. If he goes down in week 12? Who'd you rather have? Same old colman or a guy who's been to the pro bowl?
      - Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Smeefers View Post
        I can't believe so many people don't want a veteran back up. They'd rather go with some crappy nobody. I've been grumbling for years that we need a vet to back up Rodgers and now that one is here, people want to go with the kid who has a 30 QB rating just because he knows the system.
        I don't like Harrell or Coleman. I just think the Packers have this highly rigid, set in stone devotion to develop from within. The Craptastic guy you have who knows the system is better than the guy who doesn't know the system, not regardless of his talent; but sometimes his talent is secondary to his connection to the draft process. I hope they prove me wrong by keeping Young - he has IT.
        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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        • #34
          But you forget: TT has long had a boner for Vince Young. I think also that the "develop from within" philosophy includes the proviso that the talent within should have talent. I wonder if MM is realizing that after three years in MM's system, Harrell still doesn't have the arm and maybe not the cojones to make it work.

          They did, after all, ditch Brian Brohm Bones.
          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

          KYPack

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Smeefers View Post
            I can't believe so many people don't want a veteran back up. They'd rather go with some crappy nobody. I've been grumbling for years that we need a vet to back up Rodgers and now that one is here, people want to go with the kid who has a 30 QB rating just because he knows the system.

            I'll tell you what, if Rodgers goes down in week 3, we're just as screwed, whether we have Harrell or Young. If he goes down in week 12? Who'd you rather have? Same old colman or a guy who's been to the pro bowl?
            True. I haven't researched his stats, but Young throws a lot of interceptions. In last nights game I think it was Young who threw into triple coverage. (Shades of Brett Favre.) If Rodgers goes down, we are toast. Our best chance is to have Vince run the wishbone every play. Hopefully, Alex Gillett will be on the roster and do all the passing from "end around" plays.
            One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
            John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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            • #36
              OK, here's Young's lifetime passing stats:



              Way more interceptions than TD's.
              One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
              John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Freak Out View Post
                Is Matt Leinart still playing?



                I came in here to announce a winner, but I see none of the 4 geniuses had the cajones to publicly stand by their whacky prediction.

                The judges award the trophy to Freak Out because he wasn't wrong and he once gave the judges positive rep points.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
                  True. I haven't researched his stats, but Young throws a lot of interceptions. In last nights game I think it was Young who threw into triple coverage. (Shades of Brett Favre.)
                  Nah, that was Coleman (but Young probably did it too, I just don't recall). And it was quadruple coverage.
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #39
                    Young was erratic. So you might as well give that spot to a ST guy (that fifth or sixth tight end) or that eighth defensive lineman (Boyd), and hope you never have to see Cobb barking out signals.

                    Maybe Cobb is better than Vince Young and Graham Harrell?
                    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                    KYPack

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                      Young was erratic. So you might as well give that spot to a ST guy (that fifth or sixth tight end) or that eighth defensive lineman (Boyd), and hope you never have to see Cobb barking out signals.

                      Maybe Cobb is better than Vince Young and Graham Harrell?
                      he certainly knows the offense better than either. I bet he can handle a center-QB exchange better than Graham cracker too. But can he make all the throws. Oh, wait, Young and Harrell can't make any of them, so he's better by default.
                      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                      • #41
                        I haven't the foggiest guess. I kind of hope the idea is to resign VY after the first day of the league year so his salary for the season isn't guaranteed? What he showed in the final pre-season game was not awe-inspiring though.

                        In the Roster thread someone mentioned the Bills and Raiders each have 4 QBs on their roster, and maybe the Pack was going to trade with one of them. Ya, Flynn, Pryor, rookies Tyler Wilson and Mathew McGloin in Oackland. Bills have Kolb and Manuel, Jeff Tuel and Thad Lewis. Not exactly a murderers row to be picking through! Assuming Pryor and Manuel are not available, I'm not sure the Pack would even want any of the rest!
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                        Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                        • #42
                          Hey, just saw that Caleb Hanie is available! He had a great run (in my opinion, I think Raji would agree) with the Bears!
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                          Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                          • #43
                            so at this point we are admitting defeat if a-rod goes down. why not just forfeit and pass on the chance of injuries to other players until a-rod gets healthy again

                            we had 4 qb's in camp, two of them were released and the only guy we keep as a backup was the only guy that never, not even for one play, looked like he belonged on an NFL field

                            not even for punt, pass and kick ages 7-11

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by red View Post
                              so at this point we are admitting defeat if a-rod goes down. why not just forfeit and pass on the chance of injuries to other players until a-rod gets healthy again

                              we had 4 qb's in camp, two of them were released and the only guy we keep as a backup was the only guy that never, not even for one play, looked like he belonged on an NFL field

                              not even for punt, pass and kick ages 7-11
                              Actually, Coleman played quite well against St. Louis. 8-13, 86 yards, 1 TD. Here's the way I look at it. They got rid of the guy who doesn't have an NFL arm, and they got rid of the guy (at least for now), that doesn't know the offense. I'm not saying Coleman is ready, but I'm not sure the other two are either. TT and MM misjudged Harrell, and it has the team in a tough situation. Mistakes have consequences.
                              I can't run no more
                              With that lawless crowd
                              While the killers in high places
                              Say their prayers out loud
                              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                              A thundercloud
                              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                              • #45
                                Beat writers said Coleman outplayed Young the last two weeks in practice but it did not show up versus the Chiefs.
                                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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