Run Game Analysis: Its the Guys Upfront

[Harlan Huckleby]

You're right. Newhouse is bigger, and has quicker feet. But Barclay finishes plays better and doesn't whiff like Newhouse does on some plays. It's talent vs. consistency, and I hope they go with consistency.

You've adopted a tragically incorrect position, and I urge you to seek redemption.

I appreciate where you're coming from, you don't think much of those fast walking, no talking, drop-and-run, brownshirt muscle-men from U**. Totally understandable.

Sports is a different world. Consistency is ultimate goal, but you can't improve on physical talent. Always, always, always hope that the faster, bigger stronger guy wins - it's more hopeful. Be patient with consistency.

Case in point: the Badgers have 4 QBs in camp with some shot to win the job. All the sportswriters say that the redshirt freshman, Bart Houston, has the best throwing arm, and its not even close. He's not thought the likely starter because he is very green, the other three guys have playing experiencing.

I have started a "Fresh Start with Bart" campaign. The position coach says he is looking for the QB with the best mind. Fine, then develop the mind of the guy who can complete a goddamn pass 25 yards down the field.

[KYPack]

This is a good thread, altho I dunno if I understand this last bit from HH.

Last season the NFL started a new designation, injured reserve with a designation to return.

The return is the 9th week.

I don't think we used it last season, but Sherry (or Tretter?) might be a candidate this season.

[Guiness]

This is a good thread, altho I dunno if I understand this last bit from HH.

Last season the NFL started a new designation, injured reserve with a designation to return.

The return is the 9th week.

I don't think we used it last season, but Sherry (or Tretter?) might be a candidate this season.

Can't see it being Tretter, is there much point in rushing back a rookie who's never seen the NFL field? Especially an OL? Maybe for a special, start from Day 1, Joe Thomas style of guy, but I don't think the Pack picked up one of those on the third day of the draft. And Sherrod's in pretty much the same spot, i.e. no NFL experience at this point.

I get what HH is saying about physical talent, and he's generally right. Half of us here got cut from the high school basketball team for the 6'4" klutz that couldn't walk and chew bubblegum.

[hoosier]

This is a good thread, altho I dunno if I understand this last bit from HH.

Last season the NFL started a new designation, injured reserve with a designation to return.

The return is the 9th week.

I don't think we used it last season, but Sherry (or Tretter?) might be a candidate this season.

I believe they only get to make that designation once, and if that's correct then no reason to waste it on Sherrod or Tretter when both are already PUP'ed. If the recovery is going well, either one can be activated sometime during weeks 6-9.

[Guiness]

I believe they only get to make that designation once, and if that's correct then no reason to waste it on Sherrod or Tretter when both are already PUP'ed. If the recovery is going well, either one can be activated sometime during weeks 6-9.

I think Tretter does not qualify for PUP because he practiced and got hurt in TC. I still don't think he's a candidate for the temporary IR for the reasons I gave above.

[Patler]

I think Tretter does not qualify for PUP because he practiced and got hurt in TC. I still don't think he's a candidate for the temporary IR for the reasons I gave above.

I think Tretter does qualify for PUP. The cutoff date is the first day of preseason training camp. Tretter was a no-go on that day. I don't think it matters that he was hurt in OTAs in May.

[hoosier]

Tretter was put on the PUP on July 25. http://www.nfl.com/transactions?tran...ctionTeamAbbr=

[Smidgeon]

Ok, going out on a second limb. CJ Wilson absolutely makes the team.

And:

Derrick Sherrod will still be a packer next TC. He may be PUP or IR this year, he may finish the season on the roster, but he absolutely gets another shot. Its not like Harrell where it was something different every time. One horrific break. Thats it.

I thought Harrell's thing was one thing (at least in the NFL): the back over and over. Who was the trainer who ruined his career again?

[Smidgeon]

I think Tretter does not qualify for PUP because he practiced and got hurt in TC. I still don't think he's a candidate for the temporary IR for the reasons I gave above.

Both Sherrod and Tretter are on the PUP. Bulaga is going on IR. So far, I'm not sure someone has been injured since training camp opened who'll be out long enough to utilize the Designated to Return IR.

[mraynrand]

Breno Giacomini will be the next big-name former-Packer success. But he had to get on Seattle's "Weight-lifting" program to make it happen...

When does his four game suspension kick in?

a couple weeks after he retires.

[pittstang5]

Preseason PUP list: A player who, as a result of football-related injuries, is unable to take part in training camp practices may be assigned to the preseason PUP list. Players can be moved off the PUP list to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player cannot be placed on the PUP list, however, once he has taken the field for a practice, even if only for a few minutes.

Regular Season PUP list: A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six games their team plays. At that point, teams have a three-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional three-week window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.[



When the Packers opened up training camp, 7 players did not pass their physicals and were put on the Preseason PUP list:

Neal
Tretter
Sherrod
Harris
Worthy
Richardson
Powell

I think, Neal has been the only player to come off that list.


So, IMO, If Sherrod can't get off the Preseason PUP list, then gets put on the Regular Season PUP list, he might as well stay on that PUP list for the remainder of the year, put on IR or released - He'll be too far behind, again, after the first 6 weeks of the regular season, imo, to contribute.

[bobblehead]

I thought Harrell's thing was one thing (at least in the NFL): the back over and over. Who was the trainer who ruined his career again?

he came in "out of shape" and was still suffering from his bicep injury in his senior year. When that healed he had a back injury, then a reoccurrence of that injury. Finally he blew out his knee and it was all over.

[Guiness]

When the Packers opened up training camp, 7 players did not pass their physicals and were put on the Preseason PUP list:

Neal
Tretter
Sherrod
Harris
Worthy
Richardson
Powell

Tramon was not on it? Doesn't seem like he practiced much.

[pbmax]

a couple weeks after he retires.

Ah. The ARod plan.

[Pugger]

Did you see Newhouse whiff on that guy? We got it made!!