Run Game Analysis: Its the Guys Upfront

[Pugger]

I forgot that he missed an entire year, I was thinking of 2011 as 2012.

I still think he will get another training camp, but he is approaching JH territory.

The difference between DS and JH is a player can come back from a broken leg but a back issue? Not so much.

[Pugger]

He's shown every little IMO with the Green Bay Packers. Many rookie OL we've drafted over the past five years showed better than Justine Sherry when he was actually playing.
He has the look of at OT on paper but he's shown little. IF he were in camp IMO he'd be cut
No surprise if they hide him on IR again; that is his home

They were trying to make him a guard and he ain't no guard. Once they put him back at tackle he started to show some improvement until he broke his leg.

[RashanGary]

You guys, Sherrod never showed what Bahktiari is showing right now. He never showed what Barclay is showing. Hell, he never even showed what Newhouse showed 2 years ago and Newhouse has come a long way in 2 years.

The feel I get from the OL is this.

Bahktiari/Sitton/EDS/Lang/Barclay

Swing tackle is Marshall Newhouse
Swing inside player is Greg Van Rotten
Taylor, Datko and Sherrod are fighting for one or two positions



The best case for Sherrod is to be the 9th offensive lineman, a complete developmental prospect based on his body and physical talent. He's going to be worse than he was before the injury and he was already worse than Newhouse two years ago. He has a long, long way to go. If he got to practice a full year without having to play, then had a good offseason, he'd be in prime position to make a move. I'd like to see him stick. True NFL LT's are hard to find. Sherrod has that potential. That is well worth the 53rd spot on any roster, even if you're dealing with a project.

[Zool]

You guys, Sherrod never showed what Bahktiari is showing right now. He never showed what Barclay is showing. Hell, he never even showed what Newhouse showed 2 years ago and Newhouse has come a long way in 2 years.

The feel I get from the OL is this.

Bahktiari/Sitton/EDS/Lang/Barclay

Swing tackle is Marshall Newhouse
Swing inside player is Greg Van Rotten
Taylor, Datko and Sherrod are fighting for one or two positions



The best case for Sherrod is to be the 9th offensive lineman, a complete developmental prospect based on his body and physical talent. He's going to be worse than he was before the injury and he was already worse than Newhouse two years ago. He has a long, long way to go. If he got to practice a full year without having to play, then had a good offseason, he'd be in prime position to make a move. I'd like to see him stick. True NFL LT's are hard to find. Sherrod has that potential. That is well worth the 53rd spot on any roster, even if you're dealing with a project.

During his time on the DL, has he been able to lift weights with the team? Have to assume his upper body would be better than his rookie year at least.

[pbmax]

As is he might be the best pass blocker on the team. Bakhtiari did a nice job Friday and might give him a run for his money, but Barclay and Newhouse can't touch Sherrod in pass blocking.

Didn't do it enough? Sure. Not a drive blocker or prone to whiffs on run blocks? Quite possibly. Pass blocking? Its what he is built to do.

He has a kick step only Bulaga can match and he is big, tall and long enough to control edge rushers. Each of the other three struggle with speed outside.

Even his pass blocking misses in preseason at tackle showed promise. He would setup correctly and get a stunt or inside move and not be fast enough to adjust or read it. But when his hands landed on the guy, it was over. He needs reps to learn to feel or call the stunts and read the inside counters.

[Bretsky]

QUOTE=JustinHarrell;732897]You guys, Sherrod never showed what Bahktiari is showing right now. He never showed what Barclay is showing. Hell, he never even showed what Newhouse showed 2 years ago and Newhouse has come a long way in 2 years.

The feel I get from the OL is this.

Bahktiari/Sitton/EDS/Lang/Barclay

Swing tackle is Marshall Newhouse
Swing inside player is Greg Van Rotten
Taylor, Datko and Sherrod are fighting for one or two positions



The best case for Sherrod is to be the 9th offensive lineman, a complete developmental prospect based on his body and physical talent. He's going to be worse than he was before the injury and he was already worse than Newhouse two years ago. He has a long, long way to go. If he got to practice a full year without having to play, then had a good offseason, he'd be in prime position to make a move. I'd like to see him stick. True NFL LT's are hard to find. Sherrod has that potential. That is well worth the 53rd spot on any roster, even if you're dealing with a project.[/QUOTE]

[Bretsky]

As is he might be the best pass blocker on the team. Bakhtiari did a nice job Friday and might give him a run for his money, but Barclay and Newhouse can't touch Sherrod in pass blocking.

Didn't do it enough? Sure. Not a drive blocker or prone to whiffs on run blocks? Quite possibly. Pass blocking? Its what he is built to do.

He has a kick step only Bulaga can match and he is big, tall and long enough to control edge rushers. Each of the other three struggle with speed outside.

Even his pass blocking misses in preseason at tackle showed promise. He would setup correctly and get a stunt or inside move and not be fast enough to adjust or read it. But when his hands landed on the guy, it was over. He needs reps to learn to feel or call the stunts and read the inside counters.

Drunk on Homer Juice IMO

Perhaps his wing span....and physique lead to him having potential.......but he's shown very very little of it IMO

[Bretsky]

QUOTE=JustinHarrell;732897]You guys, Sherrod never showed what Bahktiari is showing right now. He never showed what Barclay is showing. Hell, he never even showed what Newhouse showed 2 years ago and Newhouse has come a long way in 2 years.

The feel I get from the OL is this.

Bahktiari/Sitton/EDS/Lang/Barclay

Swing tackle is Marshall Newhouse
Swing inside player is Greg Van Rotten
Taylor, Datko and Sherrod are fighting for one or two positions



The best case for Sherrod is to be the 9th offensive lineman, a complete developmental prospect based on his body and physical talent. He's going to be worse than he was before the injury and he was already worse than Newhouse two years ago. He has a long, long way to go. If he got to practice a full year without having to play, then had a good offseason, he'd be in prime position to make a move. I'd like to see him stick. True NFL LT's are hard to find. Sherrod has that potential. That is well worth the 53rd spot on any roster, even if you're dealing with a project.

[/QUOTE]



ABOVE was JH's post and I need to give credit; it actually made me go find how the hell to use the FiVE CLAPPER again

[Bretsky]

They were trying to make him a guard and he ain't no guard. Once they put him back at tackle he started to show some improvement until he broke his leg.

This seems to be the Homer consensus (my created term in here)...........it sounds like only three of us......myself...Patler...and Justin Harrell see it very differently. I saw a couple plays he did ok on in the one game but I didn't see nearly enough to even open the Homer Can. And besides that a lot of bad film. Some improvment from horrific doesn't cut it for me.

I hope you guys are right though.

[wist43]

During his time on the DL, has he been able to lift weights with the team? Have to assume his upper body would be better than his rookie year at least.

Yeah, he's bulked up a little bit... now if he could only play??

[George Cumby]

Yeah, he's bulked up a little bit... now if he could only play??

I knew Condi Rice took care of herself, but DAMN!

Like Bretsky, I think Justin is spot on.

PB, I don't remember seeing enough of Sherrod to formulate an opinion. What did you see in Sheerod to have such a high opinion of him? And when?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well, I looked for video and only found highlights of one preseason game in Green Bay.

Here he's playing a new position at LG. He does a nice job with the stunt by chipping the first guy and getting back to stop the stunt inside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWUy1z7HdCU

At LT in the same game, he stones the rusher. Unlike Newhouse, he stuck with his block also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh2qR2NpElM

Here he is beat by an inside move, but Rodgers gets the ball off before being sacked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8miUe6B7ieg

Here he makes a nice downfield block as a LG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LzQOY7rElY

Dude is 6'6" 320 with good athletic ability. Personally, I hope he gets healthy because he has a lot of potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taaxYtUsefo

After Justin Harrell and his injuries, it's hard not to think his career is basically over before it began though.

[RashanGary]

Ted Thompson took a huge risk when he drafted Sherrod. The risk is that he used a 1st round draft pick on an offensive lineman who's coming in with rudimentary blocking fundamentals. The reason it's such a risk, and the reason you see certain schools pump OL into the NFL over all others is that you never quite know it a guy will be able to do it the NFL way and almost nobody can do it in the NFL any other way than the NFL way. Pass blocking is a true science. In the NFL, with the best of the best, everybody does it exactly the same. Only a few college teams teach it the NFL way. There are easier ways to get an elite athlete to perform in college, ways less detailed or demanding of fundamental excellence.

The risk took the worst possible turn. A guy who needed time to work on fundamentals didn't get an offseason because of the strike. After that, he was quickly injured. Now we're looking at a 24 year old rookie coming off a serious injury with muscle atrophy. It's a big fucking problem.

Now, here's to the upside of that swing for the fences. Sherrod has true, unique talent. The way he moves at his size in pass pro is elite. It's rare. I imagine he's going to be kept around, even if he were the 10th OL. His ceiling is so high, ted drafted him before he was ready to play. At this point, the pick is already spent. Now it's just the 53rd roster spot that he has to pay to find out if he can do it.

I'm completely off the Sherrod train when it comes to beating out Barclay, Bahktiari or Newhouse for playing time this season (unless it's the end of the season and he gets healthy real quick.) I'm completely on his train if it means keeping him around to see if he can get healthy and be the special type of talent some of his tape makes you think he could be.

He's a good guy. He comes to work. He's a team guy. He's dedicated, smart, hard working. . . He has elite talent. He's still a hell of a prospect still. I see no reason to part ways, but I think this board and everywhere else needs to seriously temper any early expectations. I know we want it to happen, but lets accept, the guy has glaring holes in his technique and he's coming of a serious lower body injury. Anybody taking an honest look at how he performed healthy would see it that way. The key word there is honest. HOnestly, everything has gone wrong for him and he wasn't ready.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Looking back at posts on how Sherrod played his rookie year, I find this:

Most thought he he played a good game the week prior to the Rams game:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?22950-Who-starts-at-tackle-tomorrow&highlight=derek+sherrod

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?22888-QB-pressure&highlight=derek+sherrod

And Patler was off the Sherrod bandwagon really early... after a couple of preseason games out of position at OG--in which the strike took away all offseason practice. I don't remember a lot of the specifics. Apparently, Sherrod got off to a good start but had a couple of bad preseason games, and most didn't think he could contribute much because of the lack of offseason work. When he actually played in the regular season, he acquitted himself better than some feared. That's my take. And that's mostly the take I remember.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?22568-Will-Sherrod-be-ready-to-contribute-this-year&highlight=derek+sherrod

Being called a homer when I don't consider myself a homer is insulting. Yes, I'm an optimistic realist, but I think I generally call them the way I see them--with hope that things will work out. The team has been pretty damn successful, so I'd think most would be optimistic realists.

After the first preseason game of that same year, I'll quote Lurker, so it wasn't like he was awful. He was inconsistent, but I think some were pretty excited about his potential.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?22514-Official-quot-Jump-to-Conclusions-Based-on-the-First-Preseason-Game-Thread-quot/page2&highlight=derek+sherrod

No matter who wins the LG spot between Sherrod and Lang, we'll be at least okay there.

[HarveyWallbangers]

In that last thread, even JH was even pretty optimistic about Sherrod after the first preseason game.

Sherrod = Lang at guard
Sherrod = Lang at tackle
Sherrod = Higher upside
I don't think playing Sherrod at guard is going to hurt him. He could win it.

And KY was impressed also:

I agree with Harlan here, that can't be right, is it? I think Lang and Sherrod are good ones. Lang is your starter and Sherrod can fill at two left OL spots. Both of these guys have really good footwork. In the first half, the Brown RDE tried one of those "banana" edge moves. Sherrod stayed cool and moved right with the guy. He made 3 excellent slide steps and then checked the DE on the backside of the QB. He's a kid, but he's got the makings of an good LT someday.

I'm still looking for the post I might have made that would leave me with egg on my face.