ROSTER ANALYSIS

[Guiness]

Good analysis Smuggler.

The main thing I'd disagree with is that they keep 3QBs. I just don't see it, look at Harrell last year and they went with just him - essentially a wing and a prayer.

If they decide to keep Young, even if Harrell is better he'll get cut, because no one will pick him up and they can just call him at home if he's needed.

[hoosier]

I struggle with generalized anxiety disorder and depression. Tonight, in particular was bad for me. I feel a sense of tormenting fear that lasts for an hour or two. I do things to cope.

Anyway, It's just about passed for me, then I read a wist post. The funny thing, it actually took the rest of the edge off. Anxiety for no reason is confusing. I truly believe there is a reason when it's happening. It feels so real, how can I not act on it or believe it. I think a part of my new coping strategy is going to be reading the wist posts so I can be reminded that my anxiety really is there for no reason and I don't have to do anything or change anything to make it go away. For much of my life, I'd get drunk, use drugs or whatever other form of escape method I could come up with (misplaced anger, isolation, obsessions). Now I know I can read irrational fears/anxieties from Wist and get confirmation that I don't have to do anything but ride it out. It's not real!!! Thank you, wist

It's kind of like the laugh track on TV shows: it laughs (or frets) so that you don't have to.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Good post, Smuggler, at this stage of the preseason. I have a feeling things will change once other guys around the league start leaving their teams and the Pack picks them up. Could be things will change drastically. In my mind many of the backup positions are toss ups as far as who stays and goes.

[KYPack]

Bought her an "all you can ride" wristband - her favorite "ride" is the slide... but she's too small to come down it alone - so daddy has to trek up allllll those stairs... doesn't look that high til you have to climb the stairs over and over, lol...

For 3 years old, she's the ultimate daredevil... wants to go on all the big rides. Wildest one I took her on was the Tilt-a-whirl... she screamed "weeeeeeee!!!!!!" the whole time, lol... it was fun. Gonna take her one more time, but mom can do all the heavy lifting this time

Actually, Snake would bang a porn star standing up in a hammock. Then he would do a back flip into the ocean and come up perfectly dry, to give us his analysis of the play-off loss to SF.

OK Wist, 157 rides on some sort of ride. I thought you meant 157 horseback rides, you'd be in 579 territory with that claim.

I'd also tell you to not be soo negative, but you wouldn't listen to that shit anyway.

[wist43]

I struggle with generalized anxiety disorder and depression. Tonight, in particular was bad for me. I feel a sense of tormenting fear that lasts for an hour or two. I do things to cope.

Anyway, It's just about passed for me, then I read a wist post. The funny thing, it actually took the rest of the edge off. Anxiety for no reason is confusing. I truly believe there is a reason when it's happening. It feels so real, how can I not act on it or believe it. I think a part of my new coping strategy is going to be reading the wist posts so I can be reminded that my anxiety really is there for no reason and I don't have to do anything or change anything to make it go away. For much of my life, I'd get drunk, use drugs or whatever other form of escape method I could come up with (misplaced anger, isolation, obsessions). Now I know I can read irrational fears/anxieties from Wist and get confirmation that I don't have to do anything but ride it out. It's not real!!! Thank you, wist

Dr. Wist, Therapist... shoulda been a series on right after Trapper John, M.D.

Glad to help

[Bossman641]

I'll give it a shot

QUARTERBACKS - 2
Rodgers and Young assuming he picks up the offense. If not Harrell gets another year. Coleman to PS.

RUNNING BACKS - 4
Lacy, Harris, Franklin, and Green. Going Green over Starks for youth/upside reasons though if he continues to miss practices due to his knee flaring up that will change. Sorry Kuhn but your time has passed.

WIDE RECEIVERS - 6
Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Boykin, Ross, Walker. Johnson or Dorsey to the PS

TIGHT ENDS - 4
Finley, Mulligan, Quarless, Taylor. Finley and Mulligan are locks IMO. Of the other 2, I think MM will want to keep a receiving TE and a blocking TE to cover the loss of Kuhn. Quarless is a complete unknown to me and I won't even try to guess who's a better blocker between Williams/Taylor/Stoneburner. If the Packers think Quarless will never recover I wouldn't be surprised to see them keep Bostick and one of the others. I'm intrigued by what McGinn said about Stoneburner - good speed and a nasty blocking demeanor.

OFFENSIVE LINE - 8
Bakhtiari, Sitton, EDS, Lang, Barclay, Newhouse, Van Roten, Taylor. Sherrod to PUP

DEFENSIVE LINE - 8
Pickett, Raji, Jones, Daniels, Wilson, Jolly, Neal, Miller

LINEBACKERS - 9
CM3, Jones, Hawk, Perry, Moses, Lattimore, Barrington, Francois, Mulumba. I want to see Manning but he seems to be having a quiet camp

SECONDARY - 9
Tramon, Shields, Hayward, Hyde, House, Bush, Burnett, McMillian, Jennings

SPECIAL TEAMS - 3
Goode, Masthay, Crosby

[wist43]

I am chalking up the SF as a loss, but disagree that nothing had changed. Bulaga is still injured, but (knock on wood) if other injury stuff clears and new injuries don't pop up, they will have Perry and Jones in there in place of Walden and trash on the D-line. I see the loss of Woodson as addition by subtraction and on offense they will have the ability to control the clock a little better. A lot depends on Bacardi though. That's really the biggest unknown factor at this point. If he plays like an average tackle, we're far better off than last year.

I agree that a healthy Perry, and an upgrade in Jones should help quite a bit in the front five/six - but the bigger problem is just that, Capers runs a 2-4 more than anything else; and you know full well what his MO is when he gets a sack on 2nd down. 3rd and 16, Capers will rush 3, and play the vaunted picket fence defense with everyone sitting at 20 yards. The receiver catches the ball at about the 13-14 yd mark, and happily skips past the 1st down marker before the first defender appears on the screen.

As for Woodson - I think he was let go more for insubordination than b/c he lost a step. He all-but called out Capers after the SF debacle... as well he should have. Capers saying he didn't know what to do was completely unacceptable, and Woodson was disgusted by it - so was I. Yet, it is Woodson who is shown the door and not Capers??

In terms of what Woodson is paid to do, and what Capers is paid to do - who has more obviously "lost a step"?? How Capers still has a job is beyond me. Woodson will be sorely missed in that secondary and in the locker room.

Bacteria looked okay in his debut, but he's still an underpowered nancyboy - which is the type of OL the Packers covet. The problem is the Packers philosophy - Max and some of the others point to ZBS successes elsewhere, but it is a very fine line... maybe it is the case that the ZBS can only be taught to success by a very few talented coaches and personnel evaluators, and given that the NFL is a copycat league, others try it and fail miserably??

I don't know... whatever it is, the Packers haven't been able to run the ball - except for that stretch run in '10 - since MM has been here. The philosphy sucks IMO; I hate small, underpowered anything; and you give up so much in other ways as well. It's fancypants football, and you're setting yourself up to be pushed around on the LOS before you've snapped the ball - and we see that played out every week.

None of that is going to change - none of that has changed. Capers needs to go, and MM needs to get his head out of his ass and incorporate some power blocking into his OL play. I don't expect either to happen, and I fully expect we'll languish at this plateau until Rodgers is knocked senseless or retires.

[wist43]

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Hope that post helps ya get thru the day today JH

[packer4life]

I agree that a healthy Perry, and an upgrade in Jones should help quite a bit in the front five/six - but the bigger problem is just that, Capers runs a 2-4 more than anything else; and you know full well what his MO is when he gets a sack on 2nd down. 3rd and 16, Capers will rush 3, and play the vaunted picket fence defense with everyone sitting at 20 yards. The receiver catches the ball at about the 13-14 yd mark, and happily skips past the 1st down marker before the first defender appears on the screen.

As for Woodson - I think he was let go more for insubordination than b/c he lost a step. He all-but called out Capers after the SF debacle... as well he should have. Capers saying he didn't know what to do was completely unacceptable, and Woodson was disgusted by it - so was I. Yet, it is Woodson who is shown the door and not Capers??

In terms of what Woodson is paid to do, and what Capers is paid to do - who has more obviously "lost a step"?? How Capers still has a job is beyond me. Woodson will be sorely missed in that secondary and in the locker room.

Bacteria looked okay in his debut, but he's still an underpowered nancyboy - which is the type of OL the Packers covet. The problem is the Packers philosophy - Max and some of the others point to ZBS successes elsewhere, but it is a very fine line... maybe it is the case that the ZBS can only be taught to success by a very few talented coaches and personnel evaluators, and given that the NFL is a copycat league, others try it and fail miserably??

I don't know... whatever it is, the Packers haven't been able to run the ball - except for that stretch run in '10 - since MM has been here. The philosphy sucks IMO; I hate small, underpowered anything; and you give up so much in other ways as well. It's fancypants football, and you're setting yourself up to be pushed around on the LOS before you've snapped the ball - and we see that played out every week.

None of that is going to change - none of that has changed. Capers needs to go, and MM needs to get his head out of his ass and incorporate some power blocking into his OL play. I don't expect either to happen, and I fully expect we'll languish at this plateau until Rodgers is knocked senseless or retires.

Woodson will be sorely missed!? Are you fucking crazy. This guy was great 4 years ago. He is now old, fragile, makes coverage look like absolute guesswork, no longer has the tools to play rover, slips off of any somewhat strong RB, is rarely available when needed on gameday, and is not close to disciplined enough to play safety in Capers' scheme. This guy thought he was Polumalu out there, problem was he lacked his skillset and instinct at safety.

Put up a poll right now, you are the only guy on this forum who will say we should've kept Woodson. I know you are a smart guy, but gimme a break. Our line may lack physicality, but to trumpet cutting Woodson as some sort of plan to debunk insubordination is just ludicrous. Pop in tape of that 49ers game, Woodson was responsible for points on the board based on bad decisions. I love the man, but it was time to go before the switch to safety was even attempted.

[mraynrand]

Put up a poll right now, you are the only guy on this forum who will say we should've kept Woodson. I know you are a smart guy, but gimme a break. Our line may lack physicality, but to trumpet cutting Woodson as some sort of plan to debunk insubordination is just ludicrous. Pop in tape of that 49ers game, Woodson was responsible for points on the board based on bad decisions. I love the man, but it was time to go before the switch to safety was even attempted.

QFT

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'll give it a shot

I agree with your entire roster, so you've lost your way.

Actually, one difference is that I expect Starks is kept rather than Green, but that is a coin flip.

[Upnorth]

I agree that a healthy Perry, and an upgrade in Jones should help quite a bit in the front five/six - but the bigger problem is just that, Capers runs a 2-4 more than anything else; and you know full well what his MO is when he gets a sack on 2nd down. 3rd and 16, Capers will rush 3, and play the vaunted picket fence defense with everyone sitting at 20 yards. The receiver catches the ball at about the 13-14 yd mark, and happily skips past the 1st down marker before the first defender appears on the screen.

As for Woodson - I think he was let go more for insubordination than b/c he lost a step. He all-but called out Capers after the SF debacle... as well he should have. Capers saying he didn't know what to do was completely unacceptable, and Woodson was disgusted by it - so was I. Yet, it is Woodson who is shown the door and not Capers??

In terms of what Woodson is paid to do, and what Capers is paid to do - who has more obviously "lost a step"?? How Capers still has a job is beyond me. Woodson will be sorely missed in that secondary and in the locker room.

Bacteria looked okay in his debut, but he's still an underpowered nancyboy - which is the type of OL the Packers covet. The problem is the Packers philosophy - Max and some of the others point to ZBS successes elsewhere, but it is a very fine line... maybe it is the case that the ZBS can only be taught to success by a very few talented coaches and personnel evaluators, and given that the NFL is a copycat league, others try it and fail miserably??

I don't know... whatever it is, the Packers haven't been able to run the ball - except for that stretch run in '10 - since MM has been here. The philosphy sucks IMO; I hate small, underpowered anything; and you give up so much in other ways as well. It's fancypants football, and you're setting yourself up to be pushed around on the LOS before you've snapped the ball - and we see that played out every week.

None of that is going to change - none of that has changed. Capers needs to go, and MM needs to get his head out of his ass and incorporate some power blocking into his OL play. I don't expect either to happen, and I fully expect we'll languish at this plateau until Rodgers is knocked senseless or retires.

Re Woodson fired for insubordination, I don't think some one insubordinate turns around and defends that organizations greatness. Sorry he was let go for performance not belligerence

[pbmax]

I think 8 D lineman would be a record for this defense under Capers.

[wist43]

Re Woodson fired for insubordination, I don't think some one insubordinate turns around and defends that organizations greatness. Sorry he was let go for performance not belligerence

To be sure he had fallen off - but I don't think his comments about Capers being a dunderhead, flaming idiot, hairpainting moron, helped.

If you want to defend Capers, go ahead, be my guest.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Woodson will be sorely missed!? Are you fucking crazy. This guy was great 4 years ago. He is now old, fragile, makes coverage look like absolute guesswork, no longer has the tools to play rover, slips off of any somewhat strong RB, is rarely available when needed on gameday, and is not close to disciplined enough to play safety in Capers' scheme. This guy thought he was Polumalu out there, problem was he lacked his skillset and instinct at safety.

Put up a poll right now, you are the only guy on this forum who will say we should've kept Woodson. I know you are a smart guy, but gimme a break. Our line may lack physicality, but to trumpet cutting Woodson as some sort of plan to debunk insubordination is just ludicrous. Pop in tape of that 49ers game, Woodson was responsible for points on the board based on bad decisions. I love the man, but it was time to go before the switch to safety was even attempted.

All I know is that Woodson was good for two or three defensive holding/pass interference calls a game which we'll do without this year.