ROSTER ANALYSIS

[bobblehead]

Holy fuck, there's an actual realist on this board. I thought it was just full of kool-aid chugging homers that refuse to see the truth.

Hey, move to vegas...its built on guys who believe in "luck". You and wist can go broke and blame bad luck.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If you put Neal at Linebacker and stick one of Mulumba or Barrington on the practice squad (or give up on Francois or Lattimore if a new guy can replace them on STs) then the numbers work.

OK, I'm being really harsh based on exactly two plays, but Neal looked confused & a step slow at LB.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Joemailman just owned you.

Jolly makes this team AND improves it. After 3 years, it is as if he was just dropped onto our front doorstep.

Joemailman is merciful and weak. Mercy is a weakness. Shoot all prisoners.

[wist43]

In a true statistical anomally we followed up being "lucky" by going 15-1 the next season. Nobody wins it every year. NE is the only team to dominate in the cap era. This team is good. We have a shot to get "lucky" every year. If your prediction is that we will get beat at some point before winning the superbowl, you are probably right. If you are wrong; we win it; and you call it luck...well you're just that, wrong.

Yeah, we have a shot every year b/c we have a QB - "a punchers chance".

What makes it luck as opposed to being "the real deal" is defense and OL play. Teams like the Niners and Seahawks may not win it all either, but they're in the conversation b/c of strength, not a "punchers chance".

That's the difference.

Just as someone brought up the Colts - I thought they were a flawed team too... "a punchers chance", and "one and done".

Their OL was similar to ours - underpowered; and their defense was similar to ours - also underpowered. I think our defense has more potential than theirs did, but we have Capers holding us back, so it's probably a wash.

[denverYooper]

I think all you homers are deluding yourselves. It's obvious from last night that the Packers can't stop the run because the organization isn't interested in bringing in linemen who can 2-gap, and Capers will never do anything to effectively stop the run. He'll play 2-4 defenses and give up hundreds of yards, and no matter how efficient Rodgers can play, they will never find a Tackle that can protect him properly. Even though that idiot Thomson thinks bringing a couple of backs will 'solve' the running game problem, McCarthy will just revert back to his stubborn unwillingness to commit to the run game - and who can blame him when Thomson won't draft decent OL players. Meanwhile, back on the defense, we'll hear all this stuff about exotic Caper's alignments, but the team isn't big enough or tough enough to stop anyone, and we all know that any recent success was just a fluke resulting from down years from other teams. This team will get run roughshod by the Niners, and we'll be calling for Caper's head and be right back to where we started at the end of last year, which is to say with a weak, slow, undersized defense that can't stop the run, cant get to the QB, and can't cover the middle of the field. Keep pretending it's not true, Packer homers, you will be singing a different tune in a few weeks.

I can only but marvel at the beauty of such a well-reasoned and logical argument. Everything flows from self-evident premises toward the irrefutable, yet beautiful, if terrible, conclusion.

[wist43]

I can only but marvel at the beauty of such a well-reasoned and logical argument. Everything flows from self-evident premises toward the irrefutable, yet beautiful, if terrible, conclusion.

And yet, did we not set an NFL record for pass defense futility just 2 years ago?? And did we not allow an NFL record number of rushing yards to Kapnerfucker just 7 months ago??

You homers see what you want to see... Keep drinkin the Kool-aid my friend.

[Bossman641]

I think all you homers are deluding yourselves. It's obvious from last night that the Packers can't stop the run because the organization isn't interested in bringing in linemen who can 2-gap, and Capers will never do anything to effectively stop the run. He'll play 2-4 defenses and give up hundreds of yards, and no matter how efficient Rodgers can play, they will never find a Tackle that can protect him properly. Even though that idiot Thomson thinks bringing a couple of backs will 'solve' the running game problem, McCarthy will just revert back to his stubborn unwillingness to commit to the run game - and who can blame him when Thomson won't draft decent OL players. Meanwhile, back on the defense, we'll hear all this stuff about exotic Caper's alignments, but the team isn't big enough or tough enough to stop anyone, and we all know that any recent success was just a fluke resulting from down years from other teams. This team will get run roughshod by the Niners, and we'll be calling for Caper's head and be right back to where we started at the end of last year, which is to say with a weak, slow, undersized defense that can't stop the run, cant get to the QB, and can't cover the middle of the field. Keep pretending it's not true, Packer homers, you will be singing a different tune in a few weeks.

Well done.

[denverYooper]

And yet, did we not set an NFL record for pass defense futility just 2 years ago?? And did we not allow an NFL record number of rushing yards to Kapnerfucker just 7 months ago??

You homers see what you want to see... Keep drinkin the Kool-aid my friend.

Here's the thing: most around here indulge in a little kool-aid, but they have it as part of an eclectic diet. That diet can often involve things that we enjoy, like a hearty steak and mashed potatoes but also involves brussels sprouts and dose of cod liver oil. You, on the other hand, prefer to dine on the same thing meal after meal -- haggis and stink bugs -- with the only real changes to your menu being the font in which it is written.

[Tony Oday]

Pretty sure the Packers have won the most games the last three years.

Jolly and Mulumba look good against the Rams.

[Joemailman]

Joemailman is merciful and weak. Mercy is a weakness. Shoot all prisoners.

Yeah, I've gone all Pope Francis and shit. Who am I to judge another poster?

[pbmax]

That leaves them with 9 Dbs, which they have done before, but when you start filling names into slots this year, you would like to have 10 DB's too,

Four safeties, although I'm not sure who the fourth would be (Banjo??), so they might only keep three, and plan on picking up a fourth if injuries hit. They will only have three active for games anyway.

Five CBs - Williams, Shields, Hayward, House, Hyde

Unless they go with only 3 safeties, it leaves no place for Bush (many won't mind that) or any of the youngsters like Means or Nixon. Smith is probably destined for PS anyway, maybe with at least one of Means and Nixon.

I think they can get their fourth or fifth best safety on PS easier than Boyd. Not sure what happens with him. Big guys don't last unless they are a project. And Boyd wouldn't be a project in a 4-3 Under at 3 tech.

[wist43]

Here's the thing: most around here indulge in a little kool-aid, but they have it as part of an eclectic diet. That diet can often involve things that we enjoy, like a hearty steak and mashed potatoes but also involves brussels sprouts and dose of cod liver oil. You, on the other hand, prefer to dine on the same thing meal after meal -- haggis and stink bugs -- with the only real changes to your menu being the font in which it is written.

I acknowledge what is working - but what's the point of talking about what's working... you don't need to fix it, do you?? Polish your laurels as it were??

It's like having a faulty carburetor on your car, but all you want to talk about are your spiffy rims. You're simply not going anywhere unless you fix the carburetor.

I've said I like quite a few of our defensive players - but the flaws we have are serious enough that they could be fatal - ala what we've witnessed against power teams over the past few years. Of course those rims still look mighty spiffy though - I'll grant ya that

[Rastak]

Here's the thing: most around here indulge in a little kool-aid, but they have it as part of an eclectic diet. That diet can often involve things that we enjoy, like a hearty steak and mashed potatoes but also involves brussels sprouts and dose of cod liver oil. You, on the other hand, prefer to dine on the same thing meal after meal -- haggis and stink bugs -- with the only real changes to your menu being the font in which it is written.

LOL...Denver.

I think most fans follow the philosophy you mention.

[pbmax]

I think all you homers are deluding yourselves. It's obvious from last night that the Packers can't stop the run because the organization isn't interested in bringing in linemen who can 2-gap, and Capers will never do anything to effectively stop the run. He'll play 2-4 defenses and give up hundreds of yards, and no matter how efficient Rodgers can play, they will never find a Tackle that can protect him properly. Even though that idiot Thomson thinks bringing a couple of backs will 'solve' the running game problem, McCarthy will just revert back to his stubborn unwillingness to commit to the run game - and who can blame him when Thomson won't draft decent OL players. Meanwhile, back on the defense, we'll hear all this stuff about exotic Caper's alignments, but the team isn't big enough or tough enough to stop anyone, and we all know that any recent success was just a fluke resulting from down years from other teams. This team will get run roughshod by the Niners, and we'll be calling for Caper's head and be right back to where we started at the end of last year, which is to say with a weak, slow, undersized defense that can't stop the run, cant get to the QB, and can't cover the middle of the field. Keep pretending it's not true, Packer homers, you will be singing a different tune in a few weeks.

Need to differentiate your product to succeed in the message board troll business? Might I suggest some alternative hobby horses?

1. Small lineman

2. Small lineman now, bigger lineman after HGH, I mean, pro football weightlifting

3. No free agents

4. Thompson too proud to keep Mike Sherman talent

5. McCarthy too proud to run football

6. Its all about egos and when the team is bad, ego is the problem. When the team is good, ego is backed up by results. Some people got it, some don't. Losers don't.

7. Time of Possession

8. 597

9. 3-4 inferior run defense no matter what actual coaches say, just look at the number! 3<4

10. Jerry Reese and Ozzie Newsome never make mistakes like this.


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[pbmax]

Holy fuck, there's an actual realist on this board. I thought it was just full of kool-aid chugging homers that refuse to see the truth.

wist has been right every year except the Super Bowl years. His record is impressive.

Total Super Bowls: 51
Packer Super Bowl wins: 4

Percentage of wist prediction success: 92.15%

Clearly, the Packers aren't committed to winning Super Bowls, just making the playoffs is OK for them, Mike Holmgren and Phil Bengston.