ROSTER ANALYSIS

[hoosier]

OK, so who makes DB?

Williams, Shields, House, Hayward, Hyde, Burnett, Jennings, McMillan

Have to hope they are healthy to get by with this.

I guess I would take those eight and add Bush by subtracting Palmer/Moses.

[SkinBasket]

I guess I would take those eight and add Bush by subtracting Palmer/Moses.

Cutting anyone on this team to keep Bush would be a terrible idea. I would rather we carried 52 than kept Bush, but thankfully that isn't necessary. Plenty of young, cheap talent in the DB crop to keep an almost effective gunner and proven ineffective DB around another year. Also got deep throat depth at DL, options at RB, injuries at WR and OL, and a cornucopia at TE. So why keep an overpriced, aging do-nothing poop stain?

[Fritz]

Yeah, we have a shot every year b/c we have a QB - "a punchers chance".

What makes it luck as opposed to being "the real deal" is defense and OL play. Teams like the Niners and Seahawks may not win it all either, but they're in the conversation b/c of strength, not a "punchers chance".

That's the difference.

Just as someone brought up the Colts - I thought they were a flawed team too... "a punchers chance", and "one and done".

Their OL was similar to ours - underpowered; and their defense was similar to ours - also underpowered. I think our defense has more potential than theirs did, but we have Capers holding us back, so it's probably a wash.

What a moronic, illogical line of...well, it's not thinking, so let's say belief.

If two teams with different styles of play have similar results over time, it does not follow that one was "lucky" and the other "real" because one team had a style you did not like.

We all agree the Packers need to run better. We agree the defense needs to play better. Trying to argue these things won't happen because the team's leadership doesn't care about these things is, well, delusional and self-serving. Though what this serves for you, well, that's your bag.

Calling me a homer because I think the team's leadership is aware of the team's deficiencies and is trying to correct them is incorrect.

[ThunderDan]

Cutting anyone on this team to keep Bush would be a terrible idea. I would rather we carried 52 than kept Bush, but thankfully that isn't necessary. Plenty of young, cheap talent in the DB crop to keep an almost effective gunner and proven ineffective DB around another year. Also got deep throat depth at DL, options at RB, injuries at WR and OL, and a cornucopia at TE. So why keep an overpriced, aging do-nothing poop stain?

Nice post, there is another post where Bigby is mentioned maybe you could tell us what you think about him also!

[wist43]

If I tried to fix the carburetor on either of our cars I wouldn't get anywhere. They're both FI, as are most all cars since the mid 1980's excluding such gems as the '91 Ford Crown Vic Interceptor. For some reason, it would not surprise me if that was your ride of choice .

But your analogy here speaks volumes: you want to fix the carburetor on a machine that uses electronic fuel injection.

Fuel injection is for pussies!!!

This is more my speed!!!

Check out this '57 Chevy!!!

And you think driving around in a little pussymobile, beeping your little 'beep, beep' horn is a step up??

[Guiness]

Fuel injection is for pussies!!!

This is more my speed!!!

And you think driving around in a little pussymobile, beeping your little 'beep, beep' horn is a step up??

Why is it every time someone brags on the internet about their Detroit Iron muscle, I'm pretty sure this is actually them in real life?

[wist43]

What a moronic, illogical line of...well, it's not thinking, so let's say belief.

If two teams with different styles of play have similar results over time, it does not follow that one was "lucky" and the other "real" because one team had a style you did not like.

We all agree the Packers need to run better. We agree the defense needs to play better. Trying to argue these things won't happen because the team's leadership doesn't care about these things is, well, delusional and self-serving. Though what this serves for you, well, that's your bag.

Calling me a homer because I think the team's leadership is aware of the team's deficiencies and is trying to correct them is incorrect.

I don't doubt that TT and MM are trying to improve the defense and running game - up until the debacle of the last 2 years though, it hasn't been much of a priority; and the way they're going about fixing both is backward IMO.

The defensive problems are largely brought on by Capers I would suspect. He's in TT's ear... "I need a guy like this, I need a guy like that - don't need no stinking 2-gappers".

We're going to continue to have problems as long as Capers is our DC.

The running game is on MM. Our running game is exactly what Oakland tried to implement last year - their OC survived 1 year, and was immediately fired. MM gets away with b/c of the QB play and passing game cover it up.

Capers gets away with it b/c the QB and passing game cover up the mess he trots out there every week.

I know you guys want these areas of the team to improve - but you keep buying into the same false doctrine that gave you the mess to begin with - that's blind faith. I like to think for myself, and don't make excuses for failure.

[denverYooper]

You're ok in my book wist. No matter what people say about you.

[Tony Oday]

Will Eddie Lacy going for 1200 yards running and 400 yard recieving this year make you happy Wist?

[Bossman641]

I don't doubt that TT and MM are trying to improve the defense and running game - up until the debacle of the last 2 years though, it hasn't been much of a priority; and the way they're going about fixing both is backward IMO.

The defensive problems are largely brought on by Capers I would suspect. He's in TT's ear... "I need a guy like this, I need a guy like that - don't need no stinking 2-gappers".

We're going to continue to have problems as long as Capers is our DC.

The running game is on MM. Our running game is exactly what Oakland tried to implement last year - their OC survived 1 year, and was immediately fired. MM gets away with b/c of the QB play and passing game cover it up.

Capers gets away with it b/c the QB and passing game cover up the mess he trots out there every week.

I know you guys want these areas of the team to improve - but you keep buying into the same false doctrine that gave you the mess to begin with - that's blind faith. I like to think for myself, and don't make excuses for failure.

Hint - every team runs the ZBS in one way or another

[mraynrand]

Cutting anyone on this team to keep Bush would be a terrible idea. I would rather we carried 52 than kept Bush, but thankfully that isn't necessary. Plenty of young, cheap talent in the DB crop to keep an almost effective gunner and proven ineffective DB around another year. Also got deep throat depth at DL, options at RB, injuries at WR and OL, and a cornucopia at TE. So why keep an overpriced, aging do-nothing poop stain?

because as worthless as he is as a db, he's very effective on teams. Against the Rams, on one punt coverage, he defeated three blocks, including a double team off the snap, got knocked down and still got up and made the tackle. His dominance opens up opportunities for others on teams to make plays as well. He may be a poop stain, but he's a sweet smelling poop stain, with berry seeds within that blossom into a cornucopia of fruity delights.

[wist43]

Will Eddie Lacy going for 1200 yards running and 400 yard recieving this year make you happy Wist?

Yeah it would... but that isn't going to happen

[Tony Oday]

Yeah it would... but that isn't going to happen

Lacey will get 300 carries this season averaging just under 19 carries a game. He will average 4+ yards a carry, and I think 30 receptions.

[wist43]

Lacey will get 300 carries this season averaging just under 19 carries a game. He will average 4+ yards a carry, and I think 30 receptions.

Well, by that math he would get to your numbers... but I don't see that happening for a 3 reasons.

1) Injuries. Lacy hasn't missed time in college, but he's been banged up... and rookies always, or more often than not, hit "the rookie wall". He'll miss some games.

2) Our pathetic run blocking OL

3) McCarthy's spots, i.e. his nature, i.e. he can't wait to fling the rock all over the field with his All-Pro QB. To whatever extent I can't blame him - he's got a great QB, and a strong passing game; he's also got a lousy running game... go with what works.

[wist43]

Hint - every team runs the ZBS in one way or another

Most teams have more than 3 running plays in the play book.

Hint - my wife can run block better than the Packer OL, and she weighs 98 lbs!!!