ROSTER ANALYSIS

[RashanGary]

I thought that Taylor was playing pretty well. Haven't paid too close attn, but a scout or personnel guy in quoted in McGinn's article said he was a tough guy, had a good anchor, all that. . . . . I still have this little hope for Datko too.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Looks like the Packers are 6-deep on the OL before you really have a downgrade.

I think they can start Newhouse ahead of Barclay and have an upgrade. (or not, we'll probably see, the tackles rarely make it through the season without missing some time.)

[HarveyWallbangers]

My stab at the 53 after the Seahawks game:

QB (2) - Aaron Rodgers, Vince Young
RB (4) - Eddie Lacy, Alex Green, James Starks, Jonathan Franklin
FB (1) - John Kuhn
WR (5) - Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Jarrett Boykin, Jeremy Ross
TE (4) - Jermichael Finley, Andrew Quarless, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) - David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, Evan Dietrich-Smith, T.J. Lang, Don Barclay, Marshall Newhouse, Greg Van Roten, Lane Taylor
DL (7) - B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, C.J. Wilson, Mike Daniels, Johnny Jolly, Josh Boyd
OLB (4) - Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Andy Mulumba
LB (5) - Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Robert Francois, Sam Barrington, Terrell Manning
CB (6) - Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Micah Hyde, Davon House, Jarrett Bush
S (4) - Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Jerron McMilliam, Chris Banjo
ST (3) - Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

IR - Bulaga, Harris
PUP - Sherrod, Tretter, Worthy

I think these guys are in need of a solid final preseason game to solidify their spots, with the most likely replacement in parens:

WR - Jeremy Ross (Tyrone Walker)
TE - Ryan Taylor (D.J. Williams or Brandon Bostick)
OG - Lane Taylor (FA from another team)
DL - Josh Boyd
OLB - Andy Mulumba (Dezman Moses or Nate Palmer)
ILB - Sam Barrington and Terrell Manning (Jamari Lattimore)
S - Chris Banjo
K - Mason Crosby

[mraynrand]

OLB - Andy Mulumba (Dezman Moses or Nate Palmer)

Palmer could get that spot

[pittstang5]

DL (7) - B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, C.J. Wilson, Mike Daniels, Johnny Jolly, Josh Boyd
OLB (4) - Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Andy Mulumba

I don't think Josh Boyd makes the 53. I think they try to stash him on the PS. If that goes, I think they keep another OLB - Palmer or Moses.

[Patler]

I don't think anybody is on IR just yet. All teams have until August 31 to figure out who goes on IR, IR Designated to Return, also who will stay on PUP, etc.

IR Designated to Return requires the injury to have occurred during the season. The player has to come from the 53 man roster. At least, those were the rules last year,

[HarveyWallbangers]

DL (7) - B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, C.J. Wilson, Mike Daniels, Johnny Jolly, Josh Boyd
OLB (4) - Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Andy Mulumba

I don't think Josh Boyd makes the 53. I think they try to stash him on the PS. If that goes, I think they keep another OLB - Palmer or Moses.

That definitely could happen. My thought was that TT looks at Raji, Pickett, Wilson, and Jolly being FAs after the season and keeps Boyd for the future. It depends on whether Boyd has shown that he's worth developing.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Miller is better than Boyd.

[KYPack]

IR Designated to Return requires the injury to have occurred during the season. The player has to come from the 53 man roster. At least, those were the rules last year,

Don't think so, P.

Last year in our 3rd Pre-season game, Bengals Center Kyle Cook sustained the dreaded "high ankle sprain". To start the season he went on IR designated to return. In the 9th week he was added to the Bengal roster and started at C.

To make room for Cook, the Bengals had to cut one time starting WR Armon Binns who was picked up by Joe Philbin and Miami.

[Patler]

Don't think so, P.

Last year in our 3rd Pre-season game, Bengals Center Kyle Cook sustained the dreaded "high ankle sprain". To start the season he went on IR designated to return. In the 9th week he was added to the Bengal roster and started at C.

To make room for Cook, the Bengals had to cut one time starting WR Armon Binns who was picked up by Joe Philbin and Miami.

The injury can be preseason, but at final cutdown he has to first be placed on the 53 man roster. He can not be placed on IR as part of the final cutdown. It is only for in season IR, so after the 53 are finalized he is IR'd and another player signed. But, of course, the 54th guy who will take his place would have been subject to waiver rules.

For 2012:

Only players with a “major injury” who are placed on the IR list after 4 p.m. EST on Tuesday, September 4, 2012, or during the season are eligible to be reactivated later in the season.

Rosters had to be finalized to 53 on 9/2.

[pbmax]

Don't think so, P.

Last year in our 3rd Pre-season game, Bengals Center Kyle Cook sustained the dreaded "high ankle sprain". To start the season he went on IR designated to return. In the 9th week he was added to the Bengal roster and started at C.

To make room for Cook, the Bengals had to cut one time starting WR Armon Binns who was picked up by Joe Philbin and Miami.

The injury can be preseason, but at final cutdown he has to first be placed on the 53 man roster. He can not be placed on IR as part of the final cutdown. It is only for in season IR, so after the 53 are finalized he is IR'd and another player signed. But, of course, the 54th guy who will take his place would have been subject to waiver rules.

For 2012:



Rosters had to be finalized to 53 on 9/2.

I think Patler has this right. There was debate about whether Harris could be designated to return now and the beat writers all went back to their stories for Bishop last year.

Designated to return can only be used for a player on the regular season 53 man roster. So Harris could have been carried through preseason cuts and onto the final 53 roster. Then, he could be designated to return. By IR'ing him now, its season ending which must be a WHALE of a patellar tendon injury.

Or it could be an actual example of the team refusing to be hopeful about injuries and committing rosters spaces only to those who are completely healthy (e.g. Bishop and Smith).

[Patler]

Rules are similar for this year.

For 2013, key dates:

Aug. 31 Clubs must reduce rosters to a maximum of 53 players on the Active/Inactive List (6 p.m. ET)
Simultaneously with the cut-down to 53, clubs that have players in the categories of Active/Physically Unable to Perform or Active/Non-Football Injury or Illness must select one of the following options: place player on Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform or Reserve/Non-Football Injury or Illness, whichever is applicable; request waivers; terminate contract; trade contract; or continue to count the player on the Active List

Sept. 1 Claiming period for players placed on waivers at the final roster reduction will expire (12 p.m. ET)
Clubs may establish a Practice Squad of eight players by signing free agents who do not have an Accrued Season of free agency credit or who were on the 46-player Active List for less than nine regular season games during each of any Accrued Seasons. A player cannot serve on the Practice Squad for more than three seasons (12 p.m. ET)
Final day of preseason training camp for all clubs, as defined in CBA Article 23, Section 9

Sept. 3 After 4 p.m. ET, a club is permitted to place a player on Reserve/Injured as "Designated for Return."

Sept. 4 Deadline for all NFL Player Contracts, Practice Player Contracts, tender offers, and miscellaneous amounts to fit within each Club's 2013 Salary Cap, in anticipation of the midnight expiration of the Top 51 Rule (4 p.m. ET)

Sept. 5 Top 51 Rule expires for all NFL Clubs (12 a.m. ET)

[RashanGary]

Is now the time you start to consider letting go of Pickett? He's clearly got another year in the tank. He's making a lot of money and there is a ton of depth on the DL. . . .

It wouldn't shock me. I'm never able to pick the roster exactly how TT does, so I try to keep most things open to possibility.

[mraynrand]

Is now the time you start to consider letting go of Pickett? He's clearly got another year in the tank. He's making a lot of money and there is a ton of depth on the DL. . . .

It wouldn't shock me. I'm never able to pick the roster exactly how TT does, so I try to keep most things open to possibility.

Pickett is the only guy who can 2-gap. I think if they get rid of him, Wist will infarct.

[RashanGary]

Pickett is the only guy who can 2-gap. I think if they get rid of him, Wist will infarct.

You're right. KY talked about that once. . . . Raji is getting better with his hand-fighting and anchor. I think he might be able to do that this year too. But yeah, I forgot about that, we could really use Pick.