ROSTER ANALYSIS

[Joemailman]

QB (2) - Aaron Rodgers, Vince Young
RB (5) - Eddie Lacy, John Kuhn, Alex Green, James Starks, Jonathan Franklin
WR (5) - Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Jeremy Ross
TE (5) - Jermichael Finley, Matthew Mulligan, Ryan Taylor, Brandon Bostick, Andrew Quarless
OL (7) - David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, Evan Dietrich-Smith, T.J. Lang, Don Barclay, Marshall Newhouse, Greg Van Roten,
DL (7) - B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett, Datone Jones, C.J. Wilson, Mike Daniels, Johnny Jolly, Mike Neal
OLB (4) - Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Andy Mulumba, Nate Palmer
LB (5) - Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Robert Francois, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (6) - Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Micah Hyde, Davon House, Jarrett Bush
S (4) - Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Jerron McMilliam, Chris Banjo
ST (3) - Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode

[pbmax]

I think you're right on Taylor v Bostick. They played a lot more snaps than any other TEs last night. In the 4th preseason game, that usually means they're competing for a job.

Banjo returned.

I agree though by similar logic DJ Williams is safe because he barely played that I saw in the second half.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't know. Young sure makes me nervous, especially in the realm of ball security...both interceptions and fumbles. My feeling is that a backup QB doesn't need to make big plays every down, just keep you in the game by avoiding turnovers. I haven't checked Quinn's stats, but I know Young turns it over a lot.

I thought Young looked OK last night. He was making good decisions, had only a couple bad throws. Look at the players around him most of the night. It's true that Young is a little more, shall we say creative, than most QBs. But bottom line is his mix of skills works, he wins games.

The backup QBs in NFC-Nord are Matt Cassel, Josh McCown, Shaun Hill. Of those, I'd say Shaun Hill is better than Young.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I thought Young looked OK last night. He was making good decisions, had only a couple bad throws. Look at the players around him most of the night. It's true that Young is a little more, shall we say creative, than most QBs. But bottom line is his mix of skills works, he wins games.

The backup QBs in NFC-Nord are Matt Cassel, Josh McCown, Shaun Hill. Of those, I'd say Shaun Hill is better than Young.

I'd take any of those backups over Young...even McCown. I didn't watch most of the game, but the stats show that Young had two fumbles. It's what he does. He's one of these guys who makes a brilliant play one down then badly overthrows a receiver the next, or fumbles or throws into triple coverage.

Like I said, today a backup QB doesn't have to win the game, just avoid losing it.

[Patler]

Jarrett Bush made the team last night when everyone new showed they couldn't play gunner. KC gashed us on punt return.
I don't know that Ross is as safe as some people think. Micah Hyde did a good job fielding punts which may have opened a spot for one of the other WRs. But the WRs who would take his spot have to play ST and they all sucked. Maybe Ross is safer than I think.

I was thinking the same thing about Ross. Hyde catches punts so easily and smoothly. He is decisive on returns/fair catches. Green looks decent on kickoffs. Both have roles besides ST. Ross looked better at WR last night, but there was one incomplete pass when he and Franklin nearly ran into each other. I'm not sure who was wrong, but it reminded me of the comment by one of the writers who said that too often in practices Ross is in the plays when something goes wrong.

I could see them keeping Walker, who just seems to catch the ball, and even Johnson based on potential (although I expect PS for him) over Ross, and going with Hyde on punts and Green on kickoffs.

I also agree about Bush. When he hasn't been in, punt coverage suffers.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Like I said, today a backup QB doesn't have to win the game, just avoid losing it.

Well, that's always been the mantra.

Our team is essentially the Green Bay Rodgers. If the golden one goes down, I want a backup QB who has a puncher's chance of winning the game. The Packers are not built to plod their way to a victory with a backup QB and conservative game plan. Vinny has far more ability than you are giving him credit for. I was not discouraged by last night's performance, just a little disappointed.

[Bossman641]

I'll give it a shot

QUARTERBACKS - 2
Rodgers, Young

RUNNING BACKS - 5
Lacy, Franklin, Green, Starks, Kuhn

WIDE RECEIVERS - 5
Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Boykin, Ross. Stash Walker/Johnson on PS. Every year we worry about our WR getting picked up and it never happens. I don't think Walker has enough physical gifts for a team to grab him.

TIGHT ENDS - 4
Finley, Mulligan, Quarless, Taylor. Bostick gets traded for another team's OL reject

OFFENSIVE LINE - 8
Bakhtiari, Sitton, EDS, Lang, Barclay, Newhouse, Van Roten, Other team's OL reject

DEFENSIVE LINE - 8
Pickett, Raji, Jones, Daniels, Wilson, Jolly, Neal, Miller

LINEBACKERS - 9
CM3, Jones, Hawk, Perry, Moses, Lattimore, Barrington, Francois, Mulumba

SECONDARY - 9
Tramon, Shields, Hayward, Hyde, House, Banjo, Burnett, McMillian, Jennings. Red rejoices after Bush is cut

SPECIAL TEAMS - 3
Goode, Masthay, Crosby

Updating my prediction from a few weeks back

[mraynrand]

I thought Young looked OK last night. He was making good decisions, had only a couple bad throws. Look at the players around him most of the night. It's true that Young is a little more, shall we say creative, than most QBs. But bottom line is his mix of skills works, he wins games.

The backup QBs in NFC-Nord are Matt Cassel, Josh McCown, Shaun Hill. Of those, I'd say Shaun Hill is better than Young.

Shaun Hill may be the best backup QB in all of football. McCown is awful, and I haven't seen Cassel in a while to know. Young is an exceptional talent, with significant flaws in accuracy and judgment. He has excellent pad level when he runs so I have confidence Stubby can clean all that other stuff up - to a point.

BTW, Steny Hoyer (Browns) looked pretty good throwing to Tori Gurley last night in Chicago.

[pbmax]

That was the troubling this about Young last night. He did not look confused in plays (he did call 3 TOs to check play and personnel). He did not seem to stay locked on one target and several of his passes seemed to be thrown on time and in rhythm.

But he was more inaccurate during that stretch than in his obviously winging it stretches. I think Tebow and Vince Young are brothers from different mothers.

They should stop teaching him the offense and tell him to go throw it to the open guy or run.

[wist43]

I see my "brain control" powers are now taking effect upon you guys... where's all the Kool-aid talk?? lol...

"I HAVE LAID EGGS IN YOUR BRAIN!!!"

TOO FUNNY!!!

[mraynrand]

Jarrett Bush made the team last night when everyone new showed they couldn't play gunner. KC gashed us on punt return.

...

Don't know what you got till it's gone
Don't know what it is I did so wrong

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot

Miss me yet?

[mraynrand]

I see my "brain control" powers are now taking effect upon you guys... where's all the Kool-aid talk??

There was virtually no Kool-Aide talk. People just don't like your baiting, trollish demeanor and straw man arguments. Other than that, you make a lot of valid observations that add to the discussion.

[Joemailman]

BTW, Steny Hoyer (Browns) looked pretty good throwing to Tori Gurley last night in Chicago.

Brian Hoyer. Take Steny Hoyer to FYI!

[wist43]

There was virtually no Kool-Aide talk. People just don't like your baiting, trollish demeanor and straw man arguments. Other than that, you make a lot of valid observations that add to the discussion.

To you guys, saying we won't go 16-0 is "baiting"...

As one of the more informed political minds on this board, you should recognize the "positivity" indoctrination nonsense - it goes beyond "if you don't have something good to say about someone..."

We get our ass kicked, and after the venting - everyone is blooming daisies out of their ears, and the ass kicking never happened.

It seems the nearer we come to our next 'Waterloo' however, most PR are sensing that it won't be pretty, and are starting to buck up under that reality. Baby steps... now if only MM and TT would get honest with themselves and fire Capers sometime this afternoon - we'd be on the road to recovery

[mraynrand]

We get our ass kicked, and after the venting - everyone is blooming daisies out of their ears, and the ass kicking never happened.

I will use this as an example to support my viewpoint, and leave it at that.