Sherrod Update From Family

[Patler]

I can't say that I have heard or read very many comments that questioned his effort or dedication. I have mostly seen and heard comments that questioned his performance before the injury and questioned whether the effects of the injury would have a lasting effect on what he can do in the future. Coupled with the anticipated regression (rustiness) from being away so long, it doesn't seem likely he can contribute much in 2013.

[pbmax]

I can't say that I have heard or read very many comments that questioned his effort or dedication. I have mostly seen and heard comments that questioned his performance before the injury and questioned whether the effects of the injury would have a lasting effect on what he can do in the future. Coupled with the anticipated regression (rustiness) from being away so long, it doesn't seem likely he can contribute much in 2013.

That was a part of the article I objected to. McGinn made explicit reference to that argument and its possible he may have heard from fans directly slagging Sherrod's effort.

But I hope that is not how he convinced the family to talk. The article seemed to be the family's response to those charges and if McGinn was the one that brought them to their doorstep, he really falls in my estimation.

Now its possible Derek and his family are fully aware of fan frustration and welcomed the inquiry. But I hope McGinn didn't use a few fools comments to scare the family.

[pbmax]

I'm guessing HIPAA. NFL team or no, an employer can't divulge too many medical details about an employee.

Nor can doctors, hospitals or therapists. Many will not even divulge information to spouses or immediate family without authorization from the patient.

HIPPA is about permission to release not a total prohibition. It would at most explain a small delay if the parties wanted the info released. Its not an unknown factor and I am sure teams cover this with players as rookies and get whatever permission they need to make injury reports public. Every season twice a week the League somehow cobbles together an injury report despite the need for explicit permission. And we regularly get updates on scheduled surgeries on Packer players.

I suspect that after initial legitimate confusion, HIPPA has become a way for teams to keep more information from becoming public. I would be curious whether blanket permission could be obtained via the CBA?

But in any event, the team is in constant contact with the one person who could authorize the release of any information they wished to: Derek Sherrod. The question is whether he wished to talk and was advised against it or whether he preferred not to discuss it.

[KYPack]

I think Sherry is THE perfect candidate for the one time PUP spot. They could then activate him in the 9th week. I suggested this before, but everybody kinda pissed on the idea. Without thinkin', I'd say.

There is a good possibility that Sherrod sustained some level of nerve damage. As we've seen from Tramon, some of that never heals and you become about half the player you once were.

Some of the keyboard bullies on football forums have been real hard on Sherrod. I saw a shot of his leg on the sideline. That ankle scar is huge and nasty.

[red]

my opinion changed about the guy from the story

my big concern is that the team obviously knew what was going down, they had to know that sherrod was out for a good chunk if not all of this season, then why the hell didn't they go after tackles a little more in the draft and free agency?

a lot of us thought the reason they neglected the tackle position was because they had faith in sherrod. well obviously thats not the case

not happy about not looking for o-lineman. the only thing saving us right now is that we might have lucked out big time finding a decent tackle in the 4th round

if not for that, we'd be completely fucked right now

[Maxie the Taxi]

my opinion changed about the guy from the story

my big concern is that the team obviously knew what was going down, they had to know that sherrod was out for a good chunk if not all of this season, then why the hell didn't they go after tackles a little more in the draft and free agency?

a lot of us thought the reason they neglected the tackle position was because they had faith in sherrod. well obviously thats not the case

not happy about not looking for o-lineman. the only thing saving us right now is that we might have lucked out big time finding a decent tackle in the 4th round

if not for that, we'd be completely fucked right now

+1

[mraynrand]

Some of those orthopods doing those surgeries are not that that experienced or talented. Take Kellen Winslow - guy had a fracture that trauma surgeons see all the time, but he went to the cleveland clinic where they almost never see that kind of fracture. Had all sorts of complications. It sounds like Sherrod may have had a pinched nerve or something in there. Perhaps the original surgeon fucked up the anatomy and they had to go back in and move it around. Wonder if the original surgeon was a trauma guy or some fancy sports orthopod weenie out of his depth. Either way, Sherrod should sue the piss out of them for malpractice.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Some of those orthopods doing those surgeries are not that that experienced or talented. Take Kellen Winslow - guy had a fracture that trauma surgeons see all the time, but he went to the cleveland clinic where they almost never see that kind of fracture. Had all sorts of complications. It sounds like Sherrod may have had a pinched nerve or something in there. Perhaps the original surgeon fucked up the anatomy and they had to go back in and move it around. Wonder if the original surgeon was a trauma guy or some fancy sports orthopod weenie out of his depth. Either way, Sherrod should sue the piss out of them for malpractice.

Correct. Sherrod's orthopod was a quack and remains so. Sherrod's ankle was only the 3rd one he'd worked on. If I'm not mistaken, the other two belonged to Cleft Crusty. It's why he limps.

[denverYooper]

Correct. Sherrod's orthopod was a quack and remains so. Sherrod's ankle was only the 3rd one he'd worked on. If I'm not mistaken, the other two belonged to Cleft Crusty. It's why he limps.

I thought old Clefty got himself a Rascal.

[Patler]

HIPPA is about permission to release not a total prohibition. It would at most explain a small delay if the parties wanted the info released. Its not an unknown factor and I am sure teams cover this with players as rookies and get whatever permission they need to make injury reports public. Every season twice a week the League somehow cobbles together an injury report despite the need for explicit permission. And we regularly get updates on scheduled surgeries on Packer players.

I suspect that after initial legitimate confusion, HIPPA has become a way for teams to keep more information from becoming public. I would be curious whether blanket permission could be obtained via the CBA?

But in any event, the team is in constant contact with the one person who could authorize the release of any information they wished to: Derek Sherrod. The question is whether he wished to talk and was advised against it or whether he preferred not to discuss it.

Some institutions take the HIPPA prohibitions extremely seriously, and apply permissions very narrowly. If you start from HIPPA excluding publication by the team, and then factor in the league requirements, a narrow interpretation of permission granted by a player for the team to comply with league requirements may not grant the team permission to disclose information regarding players who are not on the active roster of 53.

Sure, they could ask Sherrod for an expanded release, and Justin Harrell in the past, and Bulaga, and Williams, and Harris, and Quarless, and Jones, etc. But then you have to keep track of who said yes and who said no. The easier and more practical approach is to simply comply with the league requirements and say very little about anything else.

We hear very little now about the guys on IR and PUP.

[Pugger]

We don't need all the details but what would have hurt for us to have learned he had to have surgery on his ankle after the original one on his leg?

[Patler]

We don't need all the details but what would have hurt for us to have learned he had to have surgery on his ankle after the original one on his leg?

The questions really are: Do we have a right to know? Do the Packers have the right to tell us?

Just because we would like to know doesn't really matter.

[KYPack]

We don't need all the details but what would have hurt for us to have learned he had to have surgery on his ankle after the original one on his leg?

I thought news of this did leak out. MM or somebody mentioned this in a presser or post practice comment. There was no formal announce from the team, that's sure.

[Patler]

I thought news of this did leak out. MM or somebody mentioned this in a presser or post practice comment. There was no formal announce from the team, that's sure.

There was mention of a second procedure, but I don't think there was any mention about it being on his ankle.

[MadScientist]

I think Sherry is THE perfect candidate for the one time PUP spot. They could then activate him in the 9th week. I suggested this before, but everybody kinda pissed on the idea. Without thinkin', I'd say.

The regular season PUP is not limited to one person, and the return can anywhere between weeks 6 and 10 I think. The single slot thingy is the IR with designation to return. That player has to be on the active roster after the final cut down, and can't play until 8 weeks after being put on the list. Most people here are in favor of Sherrod being on the PUP to start the season. I can't think of a single reason to put him on IR-designated for return.