Seneca Wallace

[Pugger]

http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/story/Packers-chose-Seneca-Wallace-as-backup-Q?blockID=935613&feedID=5069

[KYPack]

This is a great thread.

Brandon, you pulled out a good prediction there, fer sure.

I've always been in the camp of two back-ups. One guy is a battle tested guy who has started, but isn't gonna be the man anywhere. Bruce Gradkowski, David Carr, I dunno, a guy like that. The other one is a kid who seems to have great potential but needs the seasoning and would benefit observing the two pros he's working with. I was never comfy with Harrell and Coleman. I didn't think these guys had the right stuff, but I never thought both of 'em would flame out in the same pre-season. I really never understood the percentage in keeping two young guys. If they both work out, you are gonna lose 'em in FA anyhow.

[Fritz]

Coleman is the bigger disappointment. Obviously the Packers don't think he's even worthy of a PS spot in order to develop.

[Pugger]

And so far BJ is still unemployed.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Look, don't get carried away with ol' Seneca. He was backing up Clot McCoy in Cleveland after all - and two spaces behind Clot on the depth chart in SF. This is bottom of the barrel stuff. But he probably won't pull a Rubley or throw into quadruple coverage like Coldman did the other night. Teams will put 8 or 9 in the box and dare him to throw, just like they did when he saw limited action in Cleveland and he won't look good, but he won't give games away. He just won't win them.

He may have been backing up, but like a Doug Flutie his height made GMs think he wasn't an answer long-term. With the advent of the read option QBs, it would be interesting to see if a young Seneca Wallace would have been given more of a chance. Despite this, his stats were always respectable on mostly bad or average teams (save for a couple years in Seattle). Teams with out the receivers Green Bay has.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This is a great thread.

Brandon, you pulled out a good prediction there, fer sure.

If he gets cocky, we'll mention Tyrone Walker.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think 49ers have the right guy. Colt McCoy is a young smart QB who probably doesn't have the talent to be a starter. He could be there a while. Maybe Flynn will be available next year. No way Raiders will pay him 5 mil if he's going to be a backup.

Yeah, I don't think McCoy is a complete stiff like Quinn. I think he has a long career as a solid backup.

[Packers4Glory]

I do wish they would have signed young before all the camps. He would have picked it up and been more than capable. He could have won you games. Wallace is the better bet at this time.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I do wish they would have signed young before all the camps. He would have picked it up and been more than capable. He could have won you games. Wallace is the better bet at this time.

I'm not buying that Vince Young was going to change much. By the same token, I thought Vince was good enough to do the job. It seems a safe bet that the Packers chose Wallace's brain over Young's limbs.

[Carolina_Packer]

Wallace was signed by New Orleans on August 15 and released on August 19. 49ers then signed him on August 22. But of course, the Packers had already signed Young by then.

Slight correction, Joe. He was signed by New Orleans in April of this year and released August 19th, then picked up for a cup of coffee by San Fran until final cut-down. So, they could have gotten him before April of this year, and MM indicated they spoke with him back in the spring, but just had a conversation (if I recall correctly from his latest presser). We would have had to trade for him with the Saints to get him. By the time he became available, we were in the midst of the VY experiment.

I wish TT and MM had not put so much stock in Harrell. I like having a backup who has actually gotten some meaningful game action, and been serviceable. In a way the Pack had two developmental QB's so you were never going to know what you really had unless you had to put them out there. Short-term, I feel much more comfortable having someone like Wallace as a backup than either Harrell or Coleman. If you want to lay blame, give it to TT and MM for being too patient in letting Harrell develop and not realizing sooner that he was a smart guy who could practice well, but wilted in game action. They've played with fire long enough. Time to get a real backup, and Wallace is a nice stop-gap that I hope we never need, but am glad we have.

[pbmax]

In a way the Pack had two developmental QB's so you were never going to know what you really had unless you had to put them out there.

I agree with this and would even eliminate the qualifier. It was two developmental prospects. They took a similar risk with Brohm and Flynn, but one was a 2nd round pick and I believe they even had a fourth guy around for a while. But both the developmental guys had a one full offseason/preseason and by the end of it, one had clearly elevated their game. Neither Coleman or Harrell got it done in a game.

I like BPA as much as anyone around here, but by hook or crook, they need either a certified prospect or a vet to go along with the normal value picks like Flynn and Coleman.

[Pugger]

Slight correction, Joe. He was signed by New Orleans in April of this year and released August 19th, then picked up for a cup of coffee by San Fran until final cut-down. So, they could have gotten him before April of this year, and MM indicated they spoke with him back in the spring, but just had a conversation (if I recall correctly from his latest presser). We would have had to trade for him with the Saints to get him. By the time he became available, we were in the midst of the VY experiment.

I wish TT and MM had not put so much stock in Harrell. I like having a backup who has actually gotten some meaningful game action, and been serviceable. In a way the Pack had two developmental QB's so you were never going to know what you really had unless you had to put them out there. Short-term, I feel much more comfortable having someone like Wallace as a backup than either Harrell or Coleman. If you want to lay blame, give it to TT and MM for being too patient in letting Harrell develop and not realizing sooner that he was a smart guy who could practice well, but wilted in game action. They've played with fire long enough. Time to get a real backup, and Wallace is a nice stop-gap that I hope we never need, but am glad we have.

I agree, TT and especially McC stuck with GH way too long. Harrell prob was great in the lockerroom, film room and in practice but not so hot in game situations. I think Harrell had the brains to be the backup but not the physical talent. Harrell could end up being a good QB coach when it is all said and done.

[Fritz]

I agree, TT and especially McC stuck with GH way too long. Harrell prob was great in the lockerroom, film room and in practice but not so hot in game situations. I think Harrell had the brains to be the backup but not the physical talent. Harrell could end up being a good QB coach when it is all said and done.

It's clear that by the time the team signed Young, they knew they were in trouble with both Harrell and Coleman. I wonder which one was a bigger disappointment. I'm guessing Coleman. Did the coaches figure out he had eggs for brains?

[Packers4Glory]

Someone tell me about the PS QB from Wis we signed? any handy scouting reports available?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Someone tell me about the PS QB from Wis we signed? any handy scouting reports available?

Strong mind, weak arm. Competitive spirit.