Bigger and Beefier

[Patler]

Mulligan was supposed to be this bruiser, but he couldn't block worth shit.

I think his shoulder or elbow were hurt.

I couldn't believe the Hoody picked him up. He lasted 3 -4 days in NE.

Yes, but what did you think about him pre-injury? Average was the word that kept coming to mind. I think Quarless is as effective if healthy.

Before Mulligan got hurt, one of the writers watching practices said GB hasn't had a guy who blocked like that since Bubba Franks.

[pbmax]

Before Mulligan got hurt, one of the writers watching practices said GB hasn't had a guy who blocked like that since Bubba Franks.

I remember that. I just was not as impressed, though he was probably the best blocker of that group. It just never jumped out at me. Might have been my viewing habits as I struggled to stay focused on the line play in the preseason games. Too many interruptions and bad QB play.

[Smidgeon]

I agree bob is reaching here, but I also think there is a smidgeon of truth in here. TT dropped the dwarf LB and then got rid of the too small TE that didn't make any plays. Those were foregone conclusions before the season started imo. I also think Dejuan Harris' being pimped my MM flew right in the face of that logic though.

The entire argument is "DUH!!". Of course you would rather be bigger and there comes a point of TOO small. However, 6'5" 300lb. DE's that have zero talent doesn't help a team. Using Datone Jones (a 1st rounder) as an example of size and 4th rounders as examples of "making exceptions" is foolish. Guys who have size and talent don't last long. By the 4th round you have to choose size vs. talent. The biggest problem with the packers is injury. Our 2 bookend tackles are hurt. And if I want to reach a prototypical DE (Harrell) never got off the ground either.

This whole debate can run in circles all day. Bottom line is that TT did make too many exceptions in one draft over the years. Overall, he drafts for size. Look at all his 1st and 2nd round picks over the years and you will see a ton of size. I have noticed a theme with TT. 1st-3rd round he drafts guys who can play. Mostly total package guys, but by round 3 you get on the lower end of the size scale. 4th round he drafts guys who can develope (think OLine that can gain size). 5th-7th he looks for freak athletes, problem children who might turn around, and ST ace types who won't ever be positional players. 5-7 are wildcards. Guys like Ryan Taylor on one end, or Charles Johnson on the other. It just depends on whats out there, and what he thinks the roster needs.

Bottom line, of course size matters, but Datone Jones twin brother isn't available after the first round. Josh Boyd and Mike Danials were.

You rang?

[mraynrand]

MMMMMmmmmmmm......extra beefy burger......

[pbmax]

Christl and Baranczyk Proclaim Bigger Is Not Better

Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 29m
Baranczyk and Christl debunk "cockamamie" theory that because #Packers got bigger this season, they got nastier, more physical and better.

Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 29m
Baranczyk and Christl: Size on defense helps, but not nearly as important as speed, power and quickness: http://pck.rs/I1MmrS

[denverYooper]

NM. I was just going to link to the same article that our resident tweeter just did.

So I'll just add: FOOD FIGHT!

[pbmax]

I don't know why McGinn started this and I certainly don't know why he kept it up this season after it was clear he had nothing.

The aftermath of the Giants and 49er games along with a decline of run defense begs the soft angle and that's fine. I don't agree but that is understandable. Everyone was doing that. But small was dumb.

His numbers were based on team averages that include specialists and non-starters and depend for much of the variation on roster composition (how many DL versus WR). The draft put the lie to the who notion.

[woodbuck27]

Christl and Baranczyk Proclaim Bigger Is Not Better

Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 29m
Baranczyk and Christl debunk "cockamamie" theory that because #Packers got bigger this season, they got nastier, more physical and better.

Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 29m
Baranczyk and Christl: Size on defense helps, but not nearly as important as speed, power and quickness: http://pck.rs/I1MmrS

Brilliant. . . . 'just brilliant' deductions.

Who could ever refer to the Packer defense and in a sentence use these three words...Packers - Defense - Nasty and come off as informed?

Size on defense Vs speed/power/quickness is like comparing a plate of food with too many calories on it Vs a healthy plate.... not comparable.

Size isn't relevant in terms of talent except for taking up space.

[bobblehead]

Size matters. So does talent. Put enough small talent on the field you will be fine. Put enough big guys without talent on the field and you won't.

MM is a scientist. He likes to win by scheme. I prefer a nasty defense, and I don't care about size. Small and swarming to the ball, sure tackling, positioning all matter. Size helps, no doubt, but if you are a big slug, you are a slug.

I can't imagine giving big contracts to anyone on D as they take turns failing. I do think that has a lot to do with coaching, but players are accountable too.

[Freak Out]

Christl and Baranczyk Proclaim Bigger Is Not Better

Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 29m
Baranczyk and Christl debunk "cockamamie" theory that because #Packers got bigger this season, they got nastier, more physical and better.

Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 29m
Baranczyk and Christl: Size on defense helps, but not nearly as important as speed, power and quickness: http://pck.rs/I1MmrS

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-coc1.htm

[woodbuck27]

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-coc1.htm

" The link between decalcomania and cockamamie isn’t proved, but the evidence suggests strongly that children in New York City in the 1930s (or perhaps a decade earlier) converted the one into the other. There was a fashion for self-decoration at that period, using coloured transfers given away with candy and chewing gum.

Anyone who adopted the craze for sticking transfers on oneself may have been regarded by adults or more serious-minded youngsters as silly — certainly the first sense was of a person who was ridiculous or crazy. "

http://www.totalpackers.com/2012/04/13/green-bay-packers-tattoos-photos/

Comment woodbuck27:

How time and perspective and /or acceptance changes.

[pbmax]

Cockamamie is my second favorite word after whopper-jawed. My Dad used it all the time. Tremendous all purpose word for something that is just this side of FUBAR.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-who4.htm

[Freak Out]

Cockamamie is my second favorite word after whopper-jawed. My Dad used it all the time. Tremendous all purpose word for something that is just this side of FUBAR.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-who4.htm

I prefer cockamamie but that is a great one. Don't recall ever hearing it either.

[Pugger]

IMO McCarthy knows more about football than McGinn. McGinn is just a sports journalist trying to fill space in the paper.