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  • #46
    Originally posted by Smeefers View Post
    Kinda 20/20? Sure, its easy to look back and say "man, we should of traded back for two of the best players in the NFL!" I'm sure there's guys out there who thought some of the drafts busts would do great. Revisionist history man. Lets face it, we got the solid, not great guy that everyone said he would be.
    McGinn wrote a long article that the Packers should have drafted Ngata straight up at 5. Many on this board also like Hali, and advocated trading down to get him and someone else. 20/20 hindsight is the lifeblood of internet fandom. Coulda, woulda, shoulda is fun - and anguishing! Packers very well coulda traded the #5 and a lateer pick and maybe drafted both Ngata AND Hali - imagine that!
    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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    • #47
      Hawk recovered a fumble today. Does that count as a big play?
      One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
      John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
        Hawk recovered a fumble today. Does that count as a big play?
        Fumble recoveries tend to be random events. Its better to cause one than to recover one. Still better to have it than not, but big play was strip.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
          Hawk recovered a fumble today. Does that count as a big play?
          I want to ask this question again today. Hawk had 8 solo tackles, 2 assists, 3 sacks, 5 tackles for a loss, and 3 QB hurries. Do any of those count as big plays?

          I'll answer my own question: Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. Hawk had a career day. He stepped up. (And I also submit it wasn't painful reading his stats today. Unfortunately, I was unable to see the game, but the gamebook sizzled.)
          One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
          John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
            I want to ask this question again today. Hawk had 8 solo tackles, 2 assists, 3 sacks, 5 tackles for a loss, and 3 QB hurries. Do any of those count as big plays?

            I'll answer my own question: Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. Hawk had a career day. He stepped up. (And I also submit it wasn't painful reading his stats today. Unfortunately, I was unable to see the game, but the gamebook sizzled.)
            You won't be getting contrary views this week Maxie. Hawk played a whale of a game. And the most remarkable part was the big plays you mentioned. He played so big that his two shakier plays probably won't even get a mention.

            He had help in that the interior of the Packer D seemed to dominate the interior Ravens line. Regardless, he delivered.
            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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            • #51
              Hawk had a good game. I'm glad he can sack a QB when unblocked. Some guys in the NFL can't do that.
              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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              • #52
                Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                Hawk had a good game. I'm glad he can sack a QB when unblocked. Some guys in the NFL can't do that.
                Formerly, including him. How many whiffs have we seen like that? There were even a couple today though it wasn't Hawk.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                  Hawk had a good game. I'm glad he can sack a QB when unblocked. Some guys in the NFL can't do that.
                  Sorry for the needle, Ayn. I couldn't resist!
                  One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                  John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
                    Sorry for the needle, Ayn. I couldn't resist!
                    no apologies required. Hawk can play well. he still mostly sucks at pass rushing.
                    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                    • #55
                      I recall most expecting Bush, Williams, and Young to go before the Packers picked, and the hot debate over Hawk vs. Davis.
                      I also recall, early on, thinking TT had gotten the better of the two. Davis was getting sent off the field by Singletary and playing not so well. He turned that around and is playing up to his draft status. Hawk is trickier because he's been consistent and dependable and healthy (all necessary qualities) but he's lacked a lot of "wow" plays or game changing plays. I agree with others that, if he'd been drafted at the bottom of R1 (say, near where they took Perry) people would think he was a good pick. Top 10 picks are expected to be cornerstones. Some are, many aren't.

                      The expectations from that draft were almost impossibly high. Some people thought Reggie Bush was a near-bust because he wouldn't run between the tackles (until Miami).

                      I suppose we could be glad he didn't totally wash out a la Aaron Curry...or Vince Young.

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