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Originally posted by Fritz
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That is where you need a reliable TE who you can count on to get open in the flat and catch the ball after the flanker draws the corner down the field. Chewy was that for Favre in the 90s. I don't think Rodgers has ever had that. -
This fan hates that play every time whether it works or not for the very reason that our O-line is not a power run blocking line. When that play works I usually let out a big sigh of relief and yell at the TV that Stubby got lucky.Originally posted by mraynrand View PostOne time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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The more you watch the video the more disgusted you get. The Bengals have 6 guys on the line and the two LB's line up closer to the LOS than Franklin. They actually get to the line of scrimmage before Franklin does. GB's OL gets no push at all. The play is doomed before it starts.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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I pretty much agree that it was doomed from the start. Packers were in a 3 WR + 1 TE set against a defense that sold out to stop the inside run. This was after a challenge, so they had plenty of time to get whatever personnel they want on the field. A head scratcher to be sure.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View PostI can't run no more with that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
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And so I repeat: if the Bengals' defense is so clearly aligned to stop the run up the middle, why didn't Rodgers audible out of that call?Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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We need Cleft Crusty to interview MM and Rodgers about this.Originally posted by Fritz View PostI can't run no more with that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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fat mike once again tried to outsmart the other team, only to once again find out he is the slowest kid in the classOriginally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
why not call a time out when it was clear they were selling out for the inside handoff? we had time outs correct.
and to answer a question from earlier. no, i do not think he would have gotten the first down if he hadn't fumbled. i haven't watched the replay, but i think i remember him getting stuffed well short, like a yard or twoComment
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Watching this makes me want to vomit. Enjoy!"In the time of chimpanzees, I was a monkey."Comment
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3rd Sub Paragraph: Running is better option in short yardage: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/fo-basics
-Including 3rd and 4th downs together, running is successful 40% more often.
The Bengals had 5 guys off the LOS, 8 in the tackle box. They needed 18 inches. Should have got it if he is low and doesn't lose the handle.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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That's two games in a row where a rookie running back dives into a pile and something bad happens; Lacy's concussion and Frankin's fumble. Why jump at all? As far as the 4th and 1, just go low and push the pile as much as you can instead of getting stacked up by leaping. Also, if you needed some road grading and wanted to outsmart the opponent, bring in Raji to lead block. He's done it before. Aren't coaches paid to contingency plan for situations. He already knew he was down to two backs for the game. He didn't even consider Raji for short-yardage situations where you absolutely, positively needed a yard? Come on!"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick MoynihanComment
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What exactly did Lacy do that was all that bad against the 'Skins? he was in the process of getting tackled and that goon Meriweather comes in and hits him in the chin with his helmet. He did have a fumble in week 1 tho.Comment
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I don't think either play can be characterized as "diving into the pile" but maybe that's just semantics.
As to Lacy's fumble, there's no way to tell if he would have made the 1st because the ball comes out so early. I think we have a keeper in Bahk, but his wiff allowing the inside to the DE caused Franklin to get hit just as he was beginning his leap over the pile. I suspect that it is a play that they have run well in practice with Franklin as the ball carrier-possibly one of the plays that McCarthy had said he'd drawn up for Harris. The element of surprise comes not from the run call, but from the leap over, which is not something the Packers have shown in recent years.
If Bahk makes the block we might be having a very different conversation.
That said, I'm not a fan of the "leap over" for short yardage--if it's close you end up relying too much on the ref's judgement as to where to spot the ball, and anywhere other than the goal line there is no way that you get a decent, line-of-scrimmage camera angle for a replay challenge. Worse, it plays to the back's instinct to extend the ball out for every inch, and again, away from the goal line, it ends up completely in the ref's judgement as to when the play is dead, and seems like high fumble risk to me.Comment
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That's the trouble with statistics, pb. Statistics treat every player and team exactly as equals. In fact, "running is successful 40% more often" for the teams with good lines and strong runners. The downside of that statistic (the percentage when running is not successful) is provided by teams like the Packers who have weaker OL's and smaller, inexperienced RB's.Originally posted by pbmax View PostOne time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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FWIW. Schatz tweeted after it happened that despite the result, the call was a good one.Originally posted by pbmax View PostWhen the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.Comment
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Schatz is a stat guy. All stat guys will think it was a good call. Stubby is a stat guy (except when it comes to the bathroom scale).Originally posted by denverYooper View Post
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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