More Banjo: Week 5 Lions Aftermath

[pbmax]

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#Packers averaging 5.3 per carry. 3.8 and 3.9 in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

OK, so which is it? Running Back or Offensive Line?

[swede]

Both. Lean goes to RB this year.

[Pugger]

The really good backs can make something out of nothing.

[Packers4Glory]

and yet we still throw on 3rd and 1. fuck sustaining a drive!

[pbmax]

From Advanced Football Stats: http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teams...ualization.php

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm sure someone will point out that Cobb's run slightly skews the stats, but given he was part of the running game last year it counts.

Even though I brought up getting rid of Campen, I'm going to go with the OL is improved this year. When 3 different backs can get 100 yds (yeah, Lacy had 99 but close enough) then that shows the OL is doing a good job with the run blocking.

[Maxie the Taxi]

From Advanced Football Stats: http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teams...ualization.php

Time to cover the other eye?

[ThunderDan]

We ran out a lot of 3 WR sets from the shotgun formation. Not a lot of runs with Rodgers under center. Maybe this is how they cover up for EDS.

[pbmax]

We ran out a lot of 3 WR sets from the shotgun formation. Not a lot of runs with Rodgers under center. Maybe this is how they cover up for EDS.

I agree that they are not yet a power running team. But you can do a lot of damage in 3WR-1RB-1TE if you can run. Just ask Peyton. It also allows them to run an inside zone run play action and then throw out of it. Can also run pistol for traditional play action.

I did not see too much traditional ZBS yesterday, so I think that was the concession to the Detroit front line and EDS. JSO said EDS was just fine on double teams and coming off to get LBs. It might be the reach block in ZBS is the problem.

[pbmax]

Time to cover the other eye?

Yes, but if you really want to be dizzy, try to discern (from the chart only) who is better: SD, GB, IND, NO or Seattle.

[Upnorth]

From Advanced Football Stats: http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teams...ualization.php

So this shows total Off vrs total Def, not isolating for run.

HEre is the link that lets you O run vrs O pass and Def Run vrs D pass

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teamstatvisualization.php

Also all of our backs are playing better this year so that makes me lean towards the line.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I lean 100% towards improved run blocking by the line and others.

[bobblehead]

Both. Lean goes to RB this year.

so, franklin was abysmal through camp and our running game has stalled with starks many times in the past, but suddenly both look like world beaters and its the RB's?

I simply disagree. Committment to the run and linemen who are better at run blocking than pass blocking is the big difference.

[run pMc]

Lacy and Franklin are an upgrade over Cedric Benson, but I vote OLine.
The clincher for me is that Starks was on the roster last year and he didn't break 100 last year but had two good back to back outings (WAS and against CIN before he got hurt) this year. I've read that Bahktiari is pretty mobile and able to get out and block on the run, and while I'm not sold on EDS he's an upgrade over a washed up Jeff Saturday. In other words, upgrades at C and LT in run blocking.

[CaptainKickass]

Oline all the way. A good to great RB can make something out of nothing, but he won't be doing jack shit without them big boys out front.