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  • #46
    Originally posted by pbmax View Post
    I think Wilson is simply less effective inside in a spot where he could get double teamed. He can be moved out of there. Maybe Corey Williams like on run downs.

    Jolly, like Raji, can get turned, but it happens slower than Wilson. Wilson is in an awkward place where he is best at playing the run but not against a team that wants to pound it and double team him. But he doesn't have the pass rush that demands he be out there for other downs.
    he's a D-line tweener!
    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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    • #47
      Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
      he's a D-line tweener!
      So was this guy...
      One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
      John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
        So was this guy...
        Hawg Hanner?

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        • #49
          That pederast hanrahan!
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • #50
            Well this is getting tech(nical). Okie, eagle and that stuff are defensive formation terminology which varies from coach to coach and team to team. Tell you the truth, I don't really bother with that stuff. What Capers calls an okie isn't what I call an okie. An okie is a stack. The lb plays right behind the DL. The principal is that the DL keeps the blockers off the lb, so the backer can make the tackle. Capers calls his Okie something different, it seems.

            What we are discussing here is more basic. And it gets more confusing, which I'll get into.

            Technique is the term coaches use to define pre-snap positioning and it is constant across formations, personnel, and teams. A 3 tech with the Raiders plays the same spot as a 3 tech with the Packers. That same player knows where he is in a 3 tech, but Eagle, fire, Jumbo are the different formations and that varies from team. That's where the coaches installing the various schemes come in. When you install a defense, you start by making sure each player knows his assigned position at the pre-snap.

            The front techniques are termed by numbers and go all the way out. 0 is your nose tackle playing right on the nose. To the right of 0 is 1, 2 feet or so to the right of that is a 2 tech, couple feet to the right of that is 3 tech. A 3 tech plays right on the guard and the numbering system goes all the way out to 9. Remember when Philly was playing a defense call the wide 9? That's what they were talking about, they played both DE's in a 9.

            This system also accounts for the LB's but they add a zero to their positioning = 10, 20,30, etc also going out to 90.

            This gets confusing because technique also can be used by some coaches as the term for mechanics, but generally when a coach discusses technique, he is referring to the players pre-snap position.

            Each foot along that front is accounted for and woe the rookie that doesn't know or understand his technique on a particular call. Usually, when you see multiple DL's adjust their technique, it is response to a line call. They change the defense slightly, so the lineman adjust their technique.

            This is really just the bare bones basics of Dline technique. As I said, each bit of DLine real estate is accounted for. For instance, 3 is right on the guard's nose, you are nose to nose with your opponent. But some D's will make very minor changes to that. 3i is on the guards inside shoulder, 3 O is on the guard's outside shoulder, This may seem piddly to you, but it's a huge thing to a DLine coach.

            So, for a bit of a recap, technique refers to pre-snap position and is defined by a precise numbering system.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by QBME View Post
              Hawg Hanner?
              Yup. In the days when a DT could be All-Pro at 257 lbs.!
              One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
              John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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              • #52
                Originally posted by KYPack View Post
                A vanilla 30 front is two 5 techs and a zero tech. Wilson is a 5 tech playing a one gap. The OLB's in that front usually play a 7-9 technique, depending on the formation. With all the passing and multiple receiver sets in the league now, a 30 front with 4 LB's is becoming extinct. Many teams, like the Pack, stay in nickel the whole ball game. A nickel defense, not Lori Nickel
                Lori Nickel writes a lot of puff pieces, which leads me to wonder if many of the Packers have stayed in Nickel.
                "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                KYPack

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                • #53
                  AR and the offense get on the same page this week, 400 yards 3 TDs, Lacy 130 2 TDs in a laugher.
                  Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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                  • #54
                    Hayward practiced in pads again today. MM said we'll see how he feels tomorrow since he was sore last week after practicing.
                    Go PACK

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Bossman641 View Post
                      Hayward practiced in pads again today. MM said we'll see how he feels tomorrow since he was sore last week after practicing.
                      Hayward has been out 7 full weeks now.

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                      • #56
                        Let's see if this helps...


                        This one also shows 'gaps'. <insert your favorite miley cyrus joke>


                        My understanding is that Wilson is a pretty good run defender, but with so may teams trotting out 4000 and 5000 yard passers, he's a bit of a throwback. Pass rush isn't his forte, and while TC reports were that he had improved on that, he's probably not as talented as Daniels or Raji. With all the efforts to "juice" the pass rush and the reemergence of Johnny Jolly, he's the odd man out.

                        I still think he's a keeper for depth or when playing against a team that has a 20th century offense and wants to run the ball at you. If someone on the DL catches the hamstring flu he'll be in there over Boyd.

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                        • #57
                          Not optimistic Hayward will play this week. He'll be a welcome mid-season addition to the secondary if he's not too rusty.
                          Also -- the kids on PUP are going to start to be eligible soon. Sherrod, Worthy, Tretter...the roster's gonna look interesting in 3 weeks.

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                          • #58
                            We're doomed. Reggie Dunn has been released from the practice squad.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Teamcheez1 View Post
                              We're doomed. Reggie Dunn has been released from the practice squad.
                              They signed center Garth Gerhart to take his place.
                              One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                              John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
                                They signed center Garth Gerhart to take his place.
                                Van Rotten must be more seriously injured than we thought.
                                "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                                KYPack

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