Tramon williams, maybe a trade?

[ThunderDan]

Keep him this season. If Sam Shields leaves in FA, they'll need a CB to play the outside. Plus, his play in the slot hasn't been awful.
The 1st PI call on him last night was bad and set up a late 2Q TD.

I think you dump Tramon and use the money to keep Shields.

[pbmax]

He took down Patterson on 4th and 3 late in the game also for a 40+ yard pi that led to Ponders touchdown run.

What happened on that one? I couldn't tell from the replay, did he really trip the WR as Collingworth seemed to be saying?

[ThunderDan]

What happened on that one? I couldn't tell from the replay, did he really trip the WR as Collingworth seemed to be saying?

Yes, he got beat but Ponder threw a pop fly so Patterson had to slow down a little. Tramon knew he couldn't break up the pass so he did this feet first kind of slide thing into Patterson's legs and knocked him off stride.

[pbmax]

Yes, he got beat but Ponder threw a pop fly so Patterson had to slow down a little. Tramon knew he couldn't break up the pass so he did this feet first kind of slide thing into Patterson's legs and knocked him off stride.

Ah, soccer tackle.

[Patler]

He really has slipped a notch, in all aspects. He gets penalties he avoided in the past, gives up completions seemingly more frequently, and now has become a half step late and/or simple fails to secure interceptions he would have made 3 or 4 years ago. Still a good player, but one who will turn 31 next March. The future is with Shields, House, Hayward and Hyde, hopefully Nixon. The $7 million earmarked for Williams next year is better spent on someone else.

With the developing depth at CB, it might not even make sense to try and renegotiate as they did with Hawk and Crosby. It might depend on whether Nixon is any good or not, if Hyde's future is as a CB or a safety, and/or who they might draft in 2014. Of course, there is still the issue of having to get Shields re-signed.

[PA Pack Fan]

In his defense, those were some shitty pass interference calls.

[Joemailman]

He really has slipped a notch, in all aspects. He gets penalties he avoided in the past, gives up completions seemingly more frequently, and now has become a half step late and/or simple fails to secure interceptions he would have made 3 or 4 years ago. Still a good player, but one who will turn 31 next March. The future is with Shields, House, Hayward and Hyde, hopefully Nixon. The $7 million earmarked for Williams next year is better spent on someone else.

With the developing depth at CB, it might not even make sense to try and renegotiate as they did with Hawk and Crosby. It might depend on whether Nixon is any good or not, if Hyde's future is as a CB or a safety, and/or who they might draft in 2014. Of course, there is still the issue of having to get Shields re-signed.

Of course, the need to get Shields signed is the best reason not to pay Tramon next year. Sam has become so good, some games you hardly notice him because they're not throwing at him much.

One negative is that the Packers have only 3 INT's this year, after INT's were down last year compared to previous years. Do we just have to accept that this is a different type of defense than it was with Woodson and Collins back there?

[ThunderDan]

In his defense, those were some shitty pass interference calls.

The first one was. The second one was a good call. In Tramon's defense he had to "bump" Patterson off stride or it was a Viking touchdown.

[Patler]

One negative is that the Packers have only 3 INT's this year, after INT's were down last year compared to previous years. Do we just have to accept that this is a different type of defense than it was with Woodson and Collins back there?

Interceptions seem to come in bunches. One guy gets a couple, and everyone starts looking for them. Hayward could be the catalyst to start them coming again.

[Guiness]

Ah, soccer tackle.

I guess. I'm not sure what it was.

[Joemailman]

I think it was a trip designed to look like legs getting tangled up.

[denverYooper]

Of course, the need to get Shields signed is the best reason not to pay Tramon next year. Sam has become so good, some games you hardly notice him because they're not throwing at him much.

One negative is that the Packers have only 3 INT's this year, after INT's were down last year compared to previous years. Do we just have to accept that this is a different type of defense than it was with Woodson and Collins back there?

They seem to give up a lot less 40+ yard plays also.

[Old School]

I think the 2nd penalty was legit. It was a clumsy attempt to look like they their legs tangled up. For the moment it prevented a TD. Without seeing the numbers for the year, it certainly seems to me Tramon is allowing way too many completions. The only thing in his favor is he's not giving up a lot of YAC.

The Packers have to keep T Will until they extend Shields or they won't have any leverage with Sam.

[Freak Out]

Is there a chance in hell TT makes a trade for Gonzo considering Big Fin is probably done?

[Old School]

Mea maxima culpa!!!! Just saw T Wil on Larry McCarran's show. He said he hasn't allowed a reception in 3 games. Yes, 3 games.

And that "shows to go" what I know when saying he allows too many receptions. Consider me zipped.