Week 9 other games thread

[Harlan Huckleby]

The blockbuster story from today's games was that Tony Romo nudged a ball with his foot after it was spotted - perhaps as a joke - and didn't get a flag. That's a clear foul.

I know, very petty of me, but it bothers me that 99% of players would have drawn a delay-of-game penalty or worse. Did the refs give the pretty-boy, white, star QB a wink and let him off with a warning?

[channtheman]

Gary Kubiak falling over before halftime in the Houston game. Be interesting to see what they think happened.

Also, these personal fouls called on DB's for hitting defenseless receivers whether it is a correct interpretation of whatever the current rule is or not, are getting ridiculous. Some of these hits are so tame and still getting flagged. Just saw one in the Houston SNF game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Just goes to show how flukey the Vikes season was last year. It took a superhuman effort from Peterson to get them to the playoffs. This year without AP completely destroying teams, they are shitty. No passing threat and a defense that is just horrible, I mean completely, utterly, and without-a-shred-of-doubt horrible.

Ponder is playing simply because they realize that Freeman is completely in over his head and was a wasted signing, and Cassell isn't their QBOTF so they aren't even bothering to play him, even though he's better than Ponder. At this point they are trying to build up Ponder's potential trade value (as low as it is). You won't see any of these QBs in MN next year, IMO. It will be a completely new set of bodies there. FYI, Ponder's home is up for sale.

[ThunderDan]

Gary Kubiak falling over before halftime in the Houston game. Be interesting to see what they think happened.

Also, these personal fouls called on DB's for hitting defenseless receivers whether it is a correct interpretation of whatever the current rule is or not, are getting ridiculous. Some of these hits are so tame and still getting flagged. Just saw one in the Houston SNF game.

The personal foul on Ed Reed seemed correct to me. The ball was 5 feet over the WR's head and Ed Reed took at least two steps before putting his shoulder into the WR's head and neck area. No need for this at all. Reed wasn't even the closest defender by a lot and the other two Texans just let the WR go without touching him.

[denverYooper]

Just goes to show how flukey the Vikes season was last year. It took a superhuman effort from Peterson to get them to the playoffs. This year without AP completely destroying teams, they are shitty. No passing threat and a defense that is just horrible, I mean completely, utterly, and without-a-shred-of-doubt horrible.

Ponder is playing simply because they realize that Freeman is completely in over his head and was a wasted signing, and Cassell isn't their QBOTF so they aren't even bothering to play him, even though he's better than Ponder. At this point they are trying to build up Ponder's potential trade value (as low as it is). You won't see any of these QBs in MN next year, IMO. It will be a completely new set of bodies there. FYI, Ponder's home is up for sale.

He probably wants to get the hell out of there .

[pbmax]

Wilde has an article that neatly explains (via Ron Wolf who apparently has moved back to GB from Maryland) why Ted doesn't seem so eager to claim to be a savant of building a winning team and it has to do with being lucky with getting a QB early in your tenure.

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/page.php?feed=2&id=10891&is_corp=1

Asked why Thompson might not take credit for his approach, Wolf’s response is simple.

“You can say what you want to say. I know I walk around with my chest stuck out because of Brett Favre,” Wolf says. “But if we didn’t have Brett Favre, I wouldn’t have had done diddly-squat. He probably feels he’s in the same situation with Aaron Rodgers. Without a key component like that, particularly in professional football, you don’t have a chance.”

Wolf is just magic with a quote. It might be hard to ever top he and Harlan at the helm of the franchise, even of TT/MM/Rodgers get another Super Bowl.

[pbmax]

Gary Kubiak's condition went from initially looking like to heart attack to what a team official last night called possible dehydration. Its now a possible stroke.


Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h
Gary Kubiak was given Tissue plasminogen activator (tPA), a protein that breaks down blood clots in people who suffer strokes, per sources.

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h
Texans HC Gary Kubiak was treated with IV medicine designed to break up clots consistent with people who suffer strokes, per medical sources

[Guiness]

Gary Kubiak's condition went from initially looking like to heart attack to what a team official last night called possible dehydration. Its now a possible stroke.


Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h
Gary Kubiak was given Tissue plasminogen activator (tPA), a protein that breaks down blood clots in people who suffer strokes, per sources.

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h
Texans HC Gary Kubiak was treated with IV medicine designed to break up clots consistent with people who suffer strokes, per medical sources

Or dude could just be faking it to get out of that mess down in Houston! You know, the team with Andre Johnson, Foster and JJ Watt that can't win a game?

[pbmax]

Or dude could just be faking it to get out of that mess down in Houston! You know, the team with Andre Johnson, Foster and JJ Watt that can't win a game?

The Fred Sanford Stratagem?

[channtheman]

Gary Kubiak's condition went from initially looking like to heart attack to what a team official last night called possible dehydration. Its now a possible stroke.


Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h
Gary Kubiak was given Tissue plasminogen activator (tPA), a protein that breaks down blood clots in people who suffer strokes, per sources.

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h
Texans HC Gary Kubiak was treated with IV medicine designed to break up clots consistent with people who suffer strokes, per medical sources

I thought it might have been dehydration when watching. If they gave tPA than they are definitely saying it was a stroke. No reason to give it otherwise.

[Guiness]

The Fred Sanford Stratagem?

How could you post that without the requisite video clip???

[Patler]

Wilde has an article that neatly explains (via Ron Wolf who apparently has moved back to GB from Maryland) why Ted doesn't seem so eager to claim to be a savant of building a winning team and it has to do with being lucky with getting a QB early in your tenure.

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/page.php?feed=2&id=10891&is_corp=1

Wolf is just magic with a quote. It might be hard to ever top he and Harlan at the helm of the franchise, even of TT/MM/Rodgers get another Super Bowl.

Case on point, the Chicago Bears. Over the Wolf/Sherman/Thompson time frame, they have had some excellent defenses and some fantastic special teams. If Favre then Rodgers had been Bears, how much more successful might they have been?

Humility for each aside, maybe the genius of Wolf was not being afraid to go out and give enough to get Favre, and the genius of Thompson was "wasting" a first round pick on Rodgers when he was available. It was more than just luck.

[pbmax]

Humility for each aside, maybe the genius of Wolf was not being afraid to go out and give enough to get Favre, and the genius of Thompson was "wasting" a first round pick on Rodgers when he was available. It was more than just luck.

Absolutely. You must find one somewhere. However, reaching in the first round is perhaps the second worst way to go about it (Ponder, Gabbert, Locker). The worst would be spending huge FA dollars on damaged goods (Palmer). The best way would be for the guy to fall right into your lap (Rodgers, almost Favre for Jets and Wolf).

That is why I think smaller, running QBs will stick in the League regardless of the up or down future of the read option, inverse veer or any other play, concept or scheme. If you are a little bit creative in your O scheme, you can get a good QB later in the draft who will be effective.

[Guiness]

Absolutely. You must find one somewhere. However, reaching in the first round is perhaps the second worst way to go about it (Ponder, Gabbert, Locker). The worst would be spending huge FA dollars on damaged goods (Palmer). The best way would be for the guy to fall right into your lap (Rodgers, almost Favre for Jets and Wolf).

That is why I think smaller, running QBs will stick in the League regardless of the up or down future of the read option, inverse veer or any other play, concept or scheme. If you are a little but create in your O scheme, you can get a good QB later in the draft who will be effective.

That's the same thought process that made ZBS the flavour of the week for a bit...lots of undersized agile linemen out there later in the draft. That didn't work out so well, and I think Luck will be the QB from the last batch to find the most success. Strangely enough, I think CK will as well, SF's O seems to have moved away from him running.

[MadScientist]

I thought it might have been dehydration when watching. If they gave tPA than they are definitely saying it was a stroke. No reason to give it otherwise.

Dehydration could make you dizzy, but the replay showed his first reaction was to grab his head. That makes a stroke seem very likely especially with the tPA. Hopefully they got him to the hospital quickly enough and started treatment soon enough for him to have a good recovery. I would not be surprised to see him forced in to retirement over this.