THE injury

[bobblehead]

well, he didn't have surgery, so it might be hard to get msra

someone mentioned in the game thread that newhouse was in the game as a fat TE just for that one play. of course he did manage to fuck up on that one play. and i noted in the GDT that its a bad sign for sherrod when he's healthy enough to play, he's getting some reps, but newhouse who can't step on the field without fucking up, and barclay who fucks up about 50% of the time are still higher on the depth chart then he is

i think if sherrod has any future with the team, he would be getting some real reps by now

I would agree with you except that I know MM and how he thinks. He stubbornly goes with a known shit commodity for way too long before he switches to an unknown. Just one example off the top of my head, he kept Bishop on the bench for WAY too long. He also should have transformed Hyde (or damn near anyone) to safety long ago. Mcmillan and Jennings were epically bad...it couldn't have gotten much worse, but those 2 needed to be off the field.

[denverYooper]

I would agree with you except that I know MM and how he thinks. He stubbornly goes with a known shit commodity for way too long before he switches to an unknown. Just one example off the top of my head, he kept Bishop on the bench for WAY too long. He also should have transformed Hyde (or damn near anyone) to safety long ago. Mcmillan and Jennings were epically bad...it couldn't have gotten much worse, but those 2 needed to be off the field.

Spot on. M3's biggest flaw, IMO, is his stubborn willingness to stick with under-performing players and coaches for too long. I realize that consistency carries a certain benefit, but M3 pushes that too far at times.

[bobblehead]

Spot on. M3's biggest flaw, IMO, is his stubborn willingness to stick with under-performing players and coaches for too long. I realize that consistency carries a certain benefit, but M3 pushes that too far at times.

Kinda my take...although I would have cut Crosby last season.

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Kinda my take...although I would have cut Crosby last season.

i think all of us would have

i was a big backer of him for most of last season, i kept saying "he's got the talent, its just all mental", but even by the end of last season i was ready for him to be gone

[Freak Out]

What about the other injured Packers? Is Clay out?

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What about the other injured Packers? Is Clay out?

yup, he's done

i thought i saw something definitive, but now i don't see anything

i do know they said it was a break of the same thumb that kept him out 4 weeks the last time he broke it

The NFL Network confirms Clay Matthews re-broke his thumb in Sunday's loss to the Steelers.
Matthews wasn't able to cast up and play last time, missing a month after his Oct. 6 Bennett's fracture. It looks like the four-time Pro Bowler's season is now done with a team-leading 7.5 sacks. "The training staff didn't feel very good about the injury," coach Mike McCarthy said Monday. Dec 24 - 8:29 AM
Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

[woodbuck27]

Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause 18h

I get the sense Rodgers wants to play, McCarthy wants Rodgers to play, but Dr. McKenzie (and perhaps Ted Thompson) are holding firm.

Does Mike Vandermause generally offer a point of view to cover the Packers key players (in this case Aaron Rodgers, Ted Thompson, Dr. Patrick McKenzie and finally and obviously least Mike McCarthy. Their collective ass's?

While Jason Wilde trys to get the scoop on the real story? This is certainly confused by having a weekly Radio spot scheduled generally on Tuesday afternoons and co-hosted by Aaron Rodgers.

This whole thing has become murkier than any John le Carré; Robert Ludlum or Ken Follett spy novel.

I know who's covering who's ass best.

That fella doesn't have a Green Bay Packer coaching or management position.

That fella is taking care of his $$$$business$$$$. Looking after NO.1.

That fella has managed to hood wink most of you.

That fella is conducting 'the show'.

Time tells all stories in terms of TRUTH.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

Is there anybody at Packerrats that disagrees with the core of this Packer fans point of view? Story in LINK below.

If so why?

I don't think that this Packer fan had it really nailed down when he wrote this. Maybe he feels worse right now and will feel more worse at the end of this day as he lies in bed and prepares to rest and after learning of the absolute latest and the Aaron Rodgers collarbone fracture and still healing process.

Maybe he'll stare at the ceiling and say to himself...no kidding... jheesshh Mr. Naïve ...were you ever embracing stupid on this one.

In this world nothing surprizes nor shocks me. That's a strong position towards not arriving in yourself at destination 'stupid'. It may be a more difficult puzzle when the cast of characters is strictly controlled. That is until one or more of those characters begins to panic and toss one or more of the others under a bus.

It's really funny to me how some need to impress so much upon others. That's often in clear relationship to the value of one's ego to one's self.

I'm sure that there's an old saying that goes something like this:

You really don't know a man until you try to take something valuable away from him.

http://www.chatsports.com/green-bay-packers/a/Frustrated-Green-Bay-Packer-fan-takes-Mike-McCarthy-to-task-2-8985059

Frustrated Green Bay Packer fan takes Mike McCarthy to task

By: Mike King - Dec 14th, 2013 at 11:30 am

[woodbuck27]

It's an outrage he's not on the field tomorrow. Just ask him.

For the past eight years I've noticed and:

Your analytical skills 'a constant ...IMPRESSIVE.

[woodbuck27]

I agree, it would be odd to not have ANY healing after 5 weeks. The way they are talking about it, its as if Rodgers won't be back at all, which makes no sense that this injury should sideline him for 8+ weeks.

BTW, what is with Packer player injuries taking weeks longer to heal than the same injury on a guy on any other NFL team? What is actually going on with our medical crew?

Evidently and maybe as you've already learned the medical staff under the leadership of Dr, Patrick McKenzie is conservative to the most conservative in the entire NFL in regards to when to allow a player to return to full practise to be approved to play in a football game.

i) Did you ever see a pic of Aaron Rodgers in a sling over the course of even one week beginning Nov. 4, 2013?

ii) Did you see Aaron Rodgers trying to throw a football on the sidelines a short time after the Shea McClellan SACK caused the injury?

iii) When we learn what we might today? Will you ask yourself why was Aaron Rodgers even allowed to participate in any limited practise instead of simply allowing him complete rest from activities not strengthening related?

iv) Are we made aware of methods, cautions and procedures used by AR as directed by the Packers medical staff to promote healing and strengthen his collarbone?

[Pugger]

That's the TRUTH and the worst of it is it's pissing off a lot of Packer fans that don't appreciate not being treated with forthrightness.

If I were an advisor to TT and MM.

I'd tell them both to get on with the real TRUTH like tomorrow.

a) Come 100% TRUTH and the Aaron Rodgers current medical status.

b) Humbly apologize to all Packer fans for handling the whole mess like schoolyard boys/girls trying to hide some silly secret.


This is getting too really ugly. Don't ever treat fans like morons. Many Packer fans are paying strict attention and have more than half a clue (the Official managements side) and are getting very close to enrage and MM and TT. Dishonesty piss's off a teams fan base for a long long time.

Lose that TRUST or the TRUST OF THE FANS and your soon FIRED !

Do we as fans really deserve to have access to someone's medical records? Is nothing private any more for an athlete? I don't think most fans are pissed off about this situation or those making decisions but we are understandably disappointed his collarbone is taking this long to heal.

[Pugger]

I would agree with you except that I know MM and how he thinks. He stubbornly goes with a known shit commodity for way too long before he switches to an unknown. Just one example off the top of my head, he kept Bishop on the bench for WAY too long. He also should have transformed Hyde (or damn near anyone) to safety long ago. Mcmillan and Jennings were epically bad...it couldn't have gotten much worse, but those 2 needed to be off the field.

Of course until Richardson could return who else did we have back there? McMillan is no not even with the team now. But MM's biggest goof up with this tendency was with the backup QB situation. Because he stuck with Graham Harrell too damn long our backup QB situation was a mess. When it finally dawned on him nobody besides Aaron was an NFL caliber QB there wasn't much out there to choose from and when Rodgers got hurt we were truly screwed. Its a damn miracle we are still in the running for the division!

[bobblehead]

Of course until Richardson could return who else did we have back there? McMillan is no not even with the team now. But MM's biggest goof up with this tendency was with the backup QB situation. Because he stuck with Graham Harrell too damn long our backup QB situation was a mess. When it finally dawned on him nobody besides Aaron was an NFL caliber QB there wasn't much out there to choose from and when Rodgers got hurt we were truly screwed. Its a damn miracle we are still in the running for the division!

Sadly we will never know if Wallace could have gotten us an extra win or 2 and brought us to the playoffs with ARod healthy. I do agree though that MM had to have the vision to realize neither of these guys could do it before it got that far. He saw the writing on the wall with Brohm early and he should have realized it with these clowns as well. That is on them.

If you bump some threads back in the preseason I said Hyde played like a safety. I don't read predraft crap and I am not a huge fan of college, I knew little about him before preseason, but you can see the skill set matches safety. If I saw it, MM should have seen it. I had faith in McMillan though, and that is my kool aid drunken fandom coming through. I tend to like high strung ahtletic defensive players. They grow, he didn't. Will Blackman never did either. Mike Daniels has. Hopefully Richardson does. These are all athletes with a bounce in their step. Hyde isn't any of them, but he is an instinctive football player. He will never be sam Sheilds, but he will play for 10 years. He should have been moved to his natural position and we would have been a lot better off for it.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/common/page.php?feed=2&id=12351&is_corp=1

The only thing he has to fear …

By JASON WILDE

jwilde@espnwisconsin.com

GREEN BAY – Charles Woodson was scared.


"...as he prepared for the team’s NFC Wild Card Playoff game against the Minnesota Vikings last January, having missed the final nine regular-season games because of a fractured collarbone, Woodson wasn’t sure how the bone would react to the first time he collided with a running back, the first time he fell to the ground, the first time he found himself in an awkward position. ..."

Please click on the LINK for much more of this story.

GO PACK...GO PACK GO !