Things that will make the packers better

[Pugger]

Aaron Rodgers.

Bulaga
Cobb
Finley
Harris
100% EDS
Anyone other than Newhouse at RT
100% Matthews
100% Perry
Hayward
Collins

[Carolina_Packer]

The first thing I would like to touch on is the inability to tackle. We may have to change coaches on the defensive side of the ball to improve our chances of advancing to the super bowl. I do not like any of our defensive backs, they are pathetic when it comes to tackling and judging the ball in flight. Out of this group of dB’s, I am not sure if I would keep any, this has been going on for too long! Please stop playing back off the LOS by giving up fifth teen yards, just stop it.

I agree that the tackling is bad overall, but we have seen games where they gang tackled well; Detroit and Baltimore, and the first half of Bengals game. We know they can do it. As for the cushion they are giving receivers, I couldn't tell you scheme stuff, but it seems pretty obvious not to give guys a free release from the LOS.

The linebackers cannot cover a tight end to save their life. Ted Thompson needs to start drafting linebackers that can cover and tackle. The linebackers that I like the most is CM3, Sam Barrington and Jamari Lattimore. The rest of the linebackers they release tomorrow and it would not bother me one bit. Ted Thompson quit trying to make defensive lineman into linebackers. Nick Perry and Mike Neal, you have to be able to run and swivel your hips, some guys can and some can’t. If the defensive lineman isn’t capable of running at 4.5 forty yard dash, don’t waste your time with these crazy experiments

This group has been dinged up all year it seems. When healthy, I think they have gotten some good play out of the LB's, but they haven't been together much. Against good tight ends, it's hard for every team to find someone to put on the field to cover him. You're either putting a guy on him who is too slow or too short. Yeah, it would be awesome to have a guy who could match up with the most athletic TE's.

Last but not least is the defensive line. Can anybody rush the qb besides Clay Matthews? Defensive line have too many fats guys like Pickett ,Raji, and Jolly that get tired late in games and that's what causes the packers to lose games. Because these guys are gased when it counts. What happen to CJ Wilson, is he still on the team? If Ted Thompson draft another 6 ft defensive lineman I will lose my lunch.

In the 3-4, the defensive line on run downs is going to be the bigger guys who can take on double teams and stand up the blockers and keep them away from your linebackers to fill (hopefully correctly shoot) the gap and make a play. On passing downs they go to sub-packages and bring in more pass rush types like Datone Jones. In the last couple of weeks, I'm not sure if it's the d-line getting pushed back, not clogging gaps, or if it's the linebackers not being stout enough in run support, or giving up the edge, like they did consistently to Philly, or if it's the poor tackling on the second level of the defense. It's likely a combo of all of them.

When teams get the lead on the Pack, they will likely run, especially if they can successfully eat clock as in the last two games in the 4th quarter. The Pack D needs to figure out how to stop the run on 1st and 2nd down to create bad down and distance for any hope to get the pressure game working. If you are getting gashed in the run game, then it's harder to bring the pressure because there are less obvious passing downs. To me it all starts with stopping the run which starts with toughness and sure tackling which starts with understanding where you are supposed to line up and executing your responsibility properly on each play. They did it earlier in the year and had a few defensive gems (Detroit and Baltimore, and half of Cincy game), but now they are dinged up and that doesn't help matters. I would really like to see what this D could do with the full crew healthy, but then so would every other team.

Go Pack Go!

[George Cumby]

A professional strength and conditioning staff, not the clowns they pulled out of the YMCA.

[denverYooper]

A professional strength and conditioning staff, not the clowns they pulled out of the YMCA.

You have to wonder if that group is gone this year. I read a comment from one of the beat guys about how the Packers revamped their nutrition plan in the offseason and tried to improve feng shui in order to improve their injury rate. Maybe it's time to look at that staff and replace them with some who can teach them how to gain functional strength and flexibility. I really wonder if they don't spend enough time on flexibility, mobility, and ROM.

[dahammer001]

s.

How do you see our team's DB's matching up 'physically' Vs the pass? We don't. Using logical here if everybody is employing tall receivers then you draft bigger DB's.

[dahammer001]

Ron Wolf did not mess with DB's that were under 5:11

[KYPack]

If Ted Thompson draft another 6 ft defensive lineman I will lose my lunch.

I know.

Ever since TT got that goofy 6 footer Mike Daniels, the DLine has gone to shit.

You've got to try & get the best players, sometimes that guy is a shorter player.

[Joemailman]

Ron Wolf did not mess with DB's that were under 5:11

He drafted Terrell Buckley #5 overall. TT on the other hand, has not drafted any shorter than than 5-11. The Packers DB's are not small. Few DB's in the NFL are much taller than 6-0. If you think there are a lot of CB's out there that can match up physically with Megatron or Brandon Marshall, guess again. Take a look at the top prospects at CB in the 2014 draft. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2014/CB

[dahammer001]

What do think is the issue? Joemailman

[dahammer001]

How can John Schneider go out and find big defensive backs.

[Joemailman]

What do think is the issue? Joemailman

Lack of consistent pressure is a big one. Check out http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?26137-Pressures

If a QB throwing to a big receiver can put the ball where he wants it when he wants it, it's pretty tough to stop. Tackling is also an issue. I think they need an upgrade to M.D. Jennings at FS. Hayward has had a lost season due to injuries. Tramon seems to be declining. There are lots of things you can point to, but pressure on the opposing QB always makes a secondary better.

[pbmax]

How can John Schneider go out and find big defensive backs.

He has two monsters. One is a safety (Chancellor) and the other is Sherman at CB.

If you wanted to play zone, they would be in trouble. Capers plays a significant amount of zone though judging from the last two games he isn't playing it enough.

Part of the DB problem is mismatched parts. Justin Harrell has pointed this out: a guy like Shields is best in man to man. The others can do both though both House and Twill are really struggling in man. Without a great safety to clean up the mess, it looks terrible back there.

That skill mismatch is why I assign part of this blame to the coaches. Its long past time they all should be capable of playing all of the team's schemes.

[Patler]

How can John Schneider go out and find big defensive backs.

By taking chances with guys in the mid and lower draft rounds or as free agents. Not unlike what the Packers have done with Aaron Rouse (6'4"); Sean Richardson 6'2"; Brandon Underwood and Tyrone Culver (6'1"). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Schneider has done a nice job in Seattle, but he hasn't won anything yet and he still has to show the ability to sustain a roster when his first batch of players are looking for 2nd contracts. I have no reason to believe that he won't be able to, but he has a lot to accomplish yet.

[Patler]

He has two monsters. One is a safety (Chancellor) and the other is Sherman at CB.

If you wanted to play zone, they would be in trouble. Capers plays a significant amount of zone though judging from the last two games he isn't playing it enough.

Part of the DB problem is mismatched parts. Justin Harrell has pointed this out: a guy like Shields is best in man to man. The others can do both though both House and Twill are really struggling in man. Without a great safety to clean up the mess, it looks terrible back there.

That skill mismatch is why I assign part of this blame to the coaches. Its long past time they all should be capable of playing all of the team's schemes.

This is a point I tried to make in another thread. They have already cycled through guys like Underwood and Lee and phased out great players like Woodson and Collins. Many of the problems we see today have been there forever, even when Woodson and Collins were on board. The differences now are that there is no one making up for mistakes like Collins could or freelancing into impact plays like Woodson could. But, they should still be able to play competent coverages. It makes me wonder how good Whitt and Perry really are.

[Bossman641]

A professional strength and conditioning staff, not the clowns they pulled out of the YMCA.

+1

Was thinking about this earlier. There really hasn't been a single position group that hasn't been hit hard by injuries. The healthiest position has been DL but even they are banged up now. After that I don't even know where I'd go. Safety since Burnett only missed 3 games?