Things that will make the packers better

[dahammer001]

I miss the days of Chuck Cecil and Tiger Greene creating fear in the secondary for opposing receivers

[George Cumby]

I miss the days of Chuck Cecil and Tiger Greene creating fear in the secondary for opposing receivers

Repped for the Tiger Greene reference.

[red]

I miss the days of Chuck Cecil and Tiger Greene creating fear in the secondary for opposing receivers

chuck cecil wouldn't even be allowed on the field in todays NFL

he was a one trick pony, and that trick has been banned

[MJZiggy]

chuck cecil wouldn't even be allowed on the field in todays NFL

he was a one trick pony, and that trick has been banned

This is what I was thinking. Maybe the Reggie White days...Count me in with wanting a new conditioning team.

[bobblehead]

You have to wonder if that group is gone this year. I read a comment from one of the beat guys about how the Packers revamped their nutrition plan in the offseason and tried to improve feng shui in order to improve their injury rate. Maybe it's time to look at that staff and replace them with some who can teach them how to gain functional strength and flexibility. I really wonder if they don't spend enough time on flexibility, mobility, and ROM.

Time to start some midweek Bikram Yoga

[OS PA]

Am I wrong in thinking that part of our problem is our coverage. It makes no sense to me that on third and longer than three, we play a deep shell with our CBs playing off by 10-15 yards. I think we should play consistent man on; On obvious passing downs, we play with a two safety shell covering anything that beats our press coverage. Simple. The Bears game was a blatant example of what happens when you're afraid to press a big receiver, and you let him sit in an open zone.

Hit the big boys at the line, if they beat you, cover them over the top.

Done.

[KYPack]

Am I wrong in thinking that part of our problem is our coverage. It makes no sense to me that on third and longer than three, we play a deep shell with our CBs playing off by 10-15 yards. I think we should play consistent man on; On obvious passing downs, we play with a two safety shell covering anything that beats our press coverage. Simple. The Bears game was a blatant example of what happens when you're afraid to press a big receiver, and you let him sit in an open zone.

Hit the big boys at the line, if they beat you, cover them over the top.

Done.

Sounds good, but it's too simplistic.

If press cover worked every time, nobody would play anything but press.

Playing press is no magic wand, it's just a way of covering.

Off cover can have it's advantage. I'd think if you looked at tape, the guy that was 10 -15 yards deep didn't have coverage in the short zone. sounds like the guy that showed that technique had the deep third and another DB or LB had the short slant or smoke route.

I really haven't seen any situations where the player that had the short routes was 10 - 15 deep in his technique. Fans seem to be in love with press. But press has it's problems. If you are smaller than the WR, you can go up and deliver a blow and then get in his hip and try and run with him. But you are gonna lose more than you are gonna win. I'd rather play off technique, shading the receiver to take away his "sugar" route and deliver my blow when the ball arrives. The smaller player really only gets to deliver one quality blow, I'd rather do it when it means breaking up the pass. The guy you are seeing that is deep probably doesn't have the initial coverage, somebody else has the short route.

[Bretsky]

Even when he returns next year, do you really expect him to stay healthy?

I ran the numbers somewhere else, but by the end of the year, his availability percentage will be as bad as Sherrod.

I suspect Hyde as safety (as much as I don't like those moves) might be the thing they try next year.

To me Bulaga has shown the ablity to excel at the Pro level so I'm being an optimist on his return.

[Bretsky]

By taking chances with guys in the mid and lower draft rounds or as free agents. Not unlike what the Packers have done with Aaron Rouse (6'4"); Sean Richardson 6'2"; Brandon Underwood and Tyrone Culver (6'1"). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Schneider has done a nice job in Seattle, but he hasn't won anything yet and he still has to show the ability to sustain a roster when his first batch of players are looking for 2nd contracts. I have no reason to believe that he won't be able to, but he has a lot to accomplish yet.

John Schneider is an example of somebody who has used a nice mixture of the drafting, trading, and free agency.

[pbmax]

Am I wrong in thinking that part of our problem is our coverage. It makes no sense to me that on third and longer than three, we play a deep shell with our CBs playing off by 10-15 yards. I think we should play consistent man on; On obvious passing downs, we play with a two safety shell covering anything that beats our press coverage. Simple. The Bears game was a blatant example of what happens when you're afraid to press a big receiver, and you let him sit in an open zone.

Hit the big boys at the line, if they beat you, cover them over the top.

Done.

KY said most of what I was going to say. Press was how the Bears receivers climbed all over the Packer CBs two weeks ago. Without a pass rush, press will kill you versus better specimens.

The problem with the Packers zone/off coverage is tackling. If they make the tackle (Hayward/Hawk last week on the TE) then they prevent the first down. Earlier in the season when the tackling was better, they got a lot of stops with this.

Well, that and the fact that the safeties appear so worried about tackling players in front of them that they continually let receivers get behind them.

[red]

John Schneider is an example of somebody who has used a nice mixture of the drafting, trading, and free agency.

i understand what drafting is, but what are those other words?

[red]

KY said most of what I was going to say. Press was how the Bears receivers climbed all over the Packer CBs two weeks ago. Without a pass rush, press will kill you versus better specimens.

The problem with the Packers zone/off coverage is tackling. If they make the tackle (Hayward/Hawk last week on the TE) then they prevent the first down. Earlier in the season when the tackling was better, they got a lot of stops with this.

Well, that and the fact that the safeties appear so worried about tackling players in front of them that they continually let receivers get behind them.

the problem with our zone coverage is the massive holes we leave in the middle of the field, and the ability of our Cb's to let a guy run free through their zone only for a safety to not be in the right place to pick the guy up

how many times over the years have we seen a cb and safety look at each other after allowing a big catch and have both guys throw their hands up in the air

[Patler]

To me Bulaga has shown the ablity to excel at the Pro level so I'm being an optimist on his return.

I expect Bulaga to play well when he returns, I just don't expect him to play all that long before yet another injury crops up. At this point, I'm not sure he factors into their long range plans, unless he is willing to sign with a relatively low guarantee before he becomes a FA after 2014

[KYPack]

the problem with our zone coverage is the massive holes we leave in the middle of the field, and the ability of our Cb's to let a guy run free through their zone only for a safety to not be in the right place to pick the guy up

how many times over the years have we seen a cb and safety look at each other after allowing a big catch and have both guys throw their hands up in the air

Red, you are 100% right. With any zone coverage there is always a hole. When you play zone, everybody on D is relying on another player to give him help. The boys up front must provide heat to make the QB deliver the ball before those holes and seams get too big.

Our D has had two problems. There hasn't been enough heat and consistent pressure. The coverage is spotty bc our backliners don't instinctively know where to give the help and trust the other boys to give them help.

Good D is like a multi celled organism. When the offense shows, the 11 guys on D move as one to stop the play.

We haven't been real good at that lately.

[George Cumby]

Red, you are 100% right. With any zone coverage there is always a hole. When you play zone, everybody on D is relying on another player to give him help. The boys up front must provide heat to make the QB deliver the ball before those holes and seams get too big.

Our D has had two problems. There hasn't been enough heat and consistent pressure. The coverage is spotty bc our backliners don't instinctively know where to give the help and trust the other boys to give them help.

Good D is like a multi celled organism. When the offense shows, the 11 guys on D move as one to stop the play.

We haven't been real good at that lately.

The best example that I remember is the goal line stand against NO, opening day after the SB. I watched that play over and over, it was a thing of beauty, watching the D act as one. I think you mean single-celled organism as all eleven are sharing the hive mind.