Things that will make the packers better

[Cheesehead Craig]

wist as the DC (just checking if you're lurking out there buddy)

[woodbuck27]

wist as the DC (just checking if you're lurking out there buddy)

Wist isn't the type too ever need to gloat.

That's because he's generally too by far correct in his foresight and what he simply see's and trys his level best to communicate to us all here at Packerrats.

He's stubborn 'only' because it's a stubborn crowd.

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Part of the problem is that it's not just the number of injuries, it's the season or career ending seriousness that sets this team apart. You lose important pieces for three or four games on many teams, but how often do you lose your pro bowl, possible hall of famer safety while he's in his prime - for the rest of his career? Or your top end tight end - possible for the rest of his career? Or both first round tackles you drafted in three of the last four years? Or your rookie of the year in his second year, lost for the vast majority of his second season? Or your first round OLB, lost for most of his rookie year and vast swaths of his second?

I only have the Leos to compare, since I don't follow the NFL outside the Packers too much. But I know the Lions don't have near the number or severity of injuries. Not even close.

when you have these sudden career enders like collins and maybe finley, shouldn't that give you a little bit of a reason to look at free agency to help out?

i mean we're carying over so much cap room year after year, why not finally use some of that money on a guy like jarius byrd?

getting a competent safety this offseason has to be priority #1, and its a very weak draft class for those guys. we absolutely can not go into next season with md jennings or mcmillan penciled in as a starter. we need a hell of a playerto help fix that mess back there

heres a list of safeties that will be free agents this off season. theres some decent players there

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/safety/

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then you look at TE's because we could use some of those, and you'll see a few more nice names that could help out. the big one the steps out to me is jimmy graham

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/tight-end/

[woodbuck27]

then you look at TE's because we could use some of those, and you'll see a few more nice names that could help out. the big one the steps out to me is jimmy graham

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/tight-end/

Jimmy Graham >>> $$$$money$$$$.

All the same.....

I have difficulty believing that the Saints will let him walk.

[woodbuck27]

when you have these sudden career enders like collins and maybe finley, shouldn't that give you a little bit of a reason to look at free agency to help out?

i mean we're carying over so much cap room year after year, why not finally use some of that money on a guy like jarius byrd?

getting a competent safety this offseason has to be priority #1, and its a very weak draft class for those guys. we absolutely can not go into next season with md jennings or mcmillan penciled in as a starter. we need a hell of a playerto help fix that mess back there

heres a list of safeties that will be free agents this off season. theres some decent players there

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/safety/

Ahhhhh ........... Ted Thompson.

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Jimmy Graham >>> $$$$money$$$$.

All the same.....

I have difficulty believing that the Saints will let him walk.

and we had the highest paid TE on our squad this year, so what?

i would rather have graham at 9 million a year then finley at 9 million a year

jimmy graham IS the TE that finley always had the "POTENTIAL" to be

[KYPack]

This is a point I tried to make in another thread. They have already cycled through guys like Underwood and Lee and phased out great players like Woodson and Collins. Many of the problems we see today have been there forever, even when Woodson and Collins were on board. The differences now are that there is no one making up for mistakes like Collins could or freelancing into impact plays like Woodson could. But, they should still be able to play competent coverages. It makes me wonder how good Whitt and Perry really are.

I've puzzled over this and have really come back to square 1.

Firstly, I know Perry and Whitt are brilliant position coaches. Whitt coached up two totally green kids and made them all-pro material. Perry put the last coat of varnish on Nick Collins and made him one of the 3 best safeties in the league.

But positional coaching is only one facet of their gigs. That back line has to think and act as a unit. Have we been getting that?

I don't think so, mommy.

Both of 'em have the experience, the savvy, and the dedication to get this back end in gear.

But, it ain't happening. The safeties are the most troubling. There seems to be both a lack of leadership AND athleticism. The whole back end doesn't have THAT GUY. Somebody has to start making plays and picking some passes. I think our DB's have 3 picks this season. There has to be an attitude of, if they complete a good toss, I'll get ready to defend the next play. If it's up for grabs, it's MY ball. I don't see that cat roaming around our D backfield.

There has to be the spirit of stopping the other team from passing the ball at will. There needs to be a Wood or a Collins type effort. The whole idea has to be that we will pick poor throws and knock the shit out of anyone who catches a good toss.

So are Whitt and Perry suck coaches?

Nah, I blame the boys to the larger extent.

The DC? Sure, Capers has to share in this

The scheme? It's been around a long time, maybe it's time to get a young guy with more basic schemes that reward aggression and decisive play. it's seems like this scheme requires vets, that a young kid gets lost in all the detail.

The position coaches? Nobody gets to duck all the blame in this mess.

The players? I'm going to have to play a game that I hate. Blame the safety. I get so sick of idiots that blame the deepest guy when many times the backliner has made a great play to even be back there, in position to make a save for his side. but Morgan Burnett has to be held accountable. I've seen some great safeties in my time. Robert Griffith, Leroy Butler, Nick Collins, and the great Ed Reed. Burnett isn't even an average guy back there. Well, maybe average, but he is certainly not the leader of that bunch. And that is the key. People will follow you if you lead. Burnett does a pretty good job of waving his hands and pointing, to get the boys lined up & all. But he makes very few plays. One averge play followed b a good one, followed by a stinker. that ain't hacking the program

[woodbuck27]

and we had the highest paid TE on our squad this year, so what?

i would rather have graham at 9 million a year then finley at 9 million a year

jimmy graham IS the TE that finley always had the "POTENTIAL" to be

Hey red I would be estatic iff TT went hard after Jimmy Graham. That man is a player.

[woodbuck27]

I've puzzled over this and have really come back to square 1.

Firstly, I know Perry and Whitt are brilliant position coaches. Whitt coached up two totally green kids and made them all-pro material. Perry put the last coat of varnish on Nick Collins and made him one of the 3 best safeties in the league.

But positional coaching is only one facet of their gigs. That back line has to think and act as a unit. Have we been getting that?

I don't think so, mommy.

Both of 'em have the experience, the savvy, and the dedication to get this back end in gear.

But, it ain't happening. The safeties are the most troubling. There seems to be both a lack of leadership AND athleticism. The whole back end doesn't have THAT GUY. Somebody has to start making plays and picking some passes. I think our DB's have 3 picks this season. There has to be an attitude of, if they complete a good toss, I'll get ready to defend the next play. If it's up for grabs, it's MY ball. I don't see that cat roaming around our D backfield.

There has to be the spirit of stopping the other team from passing the ball at will. There needs to be a Wood or a Collins type effort. The whole idea has to be that we will pick poor throws and knock the shit out of anyone who catches a good toss.

So are Whitt and Perry suck coaches?

Nah, I blame the boys to the larger extent.

The DC? Sure, Capers has to share in this

The scheme? It's been around a long time, maybe it's time to get a young guy with more basic schemes that reward aggression and decisive play. it's seems like this scheme requires vets, that a young kid gets lost in all the detail.

The position coaches? Nobody gets to duck all the blame in this mess.

The players? I'm going to have to play a game that I hate. Blame the safety. I get so sick of idiots that blame the deepest guy when many times the backliner has made a great play to even be back there, in position to make a save for his side. but Morgan Burnett has to be held accountable. I've seen some great safeties in my time. Robert Griffith, Leroy Butler, Nick Collins, and the great Ed Reed. Burnett isn't even an average guy back there. Well, maybe average, but he is certainly not the leader of that bunch. And that is the key. People will follow you if you lead. Burnett does a pretty good job of waving his hands and pointing, to get the boys lined up & all. But he makes very few plays. One averge play followed b a good one, followed by a stinker. that ain't hacking the program

An awesome KYPack post !!!!

Air it out Packerrats because just like the Green Bay Packers your undies are stinking.... cause you've had to hold it in too long.

Let's face it! This team we support has some real need of a mending.

I believe it has to start with a focus on attaining some more real talent. We need two three more solid talents on the roster and the focus must remain on the defensive side of the ball.

If that doesn't get done starting yesterday; and screw this too much injuries crap some of you seem to lean on as an excuse. If this doesn't get done all you'll get used to is losing.

I want to see more playoff wins. I want to see our team get more respect/FEAR.

GO PACK GO !

[run pMc]

Jimmy Graham >>> $$$$money$$$$.

All the same.....

I have difficulty believing that the Saints will let him walk.

He's a major piece of their offense. They'll pay him like a star WR.

Tony Gonzalez and Dallas Clark will probably retire. Dustin Keller and Dennis Pitta are coming off significant injuries. Who knows with Finley. There are some possibilities in red's lists, but a lot of players with warts. Given TT's MO, I expect him to restock through the draft.

[run pMc]

The safeties are the most troubling. There seems to be both a lack of leadership AND athleticism. The whole back end doesn't have THAT GUY. Somebody has to start making plays and picking some passes. I think our DB's have 3 picks this season. There has to be an attitude of, if they complete a good toss, I'll get ready to defend the next play. If it's up for grabs, it's MY ball. I don't see that cat roaming around our D backfield.

There has to be the spirit of stopping the other team from passing the ball at will. There needs to be a Wood or a Collins type effort. The whole idea has to be that we will pick poor throws and knock the shit out of anyone who catches a good toss

+1

[woodbuck27]

+1

+2 RE: a BIG need at S. We need a hitter and Ball Hawk in the back middle.

A whole season later and we see the exact same problem.

Will TT address that this year?

[denverYooper]

But, it ain't happening. The safeties are the most troubling. There seems to be both a lack of leadership AND athleticism. The whole back end doesn't have THAT GUY. Somebody has to start making plays and picking some passes. I think our DB's have 3 picks this season. There has to be an attitude of, if they complete a good toss, I'll get ready to defend the next play. If it's up for grabs, it's MY ball. I don't see that cat roaming around our D backfield.

Nice post KY. What do you think about Tramon as the guy who's been stepping up to (at least try to) take on that role? He's been around the ball a lot and lately has been making some impact plays. Is he screwing up a lot of other plays at the expense of the flashy ones? Does he just need to take more of a vocal lead on the team?

[Bossman641]

Good post KY, but is the scheme really that difficult? The secondary has had issues with sorting out bunched WR's for years now. Look at the Tramon/Burnett mixup from Sunday for exampe. Scheme or no scheme, how difficult should it be for 2 defenders to sort out who is guarding what WR?